Rip it Apart....position picture of Kona winner 1994

Check out Welchy on the way to winning Kona 1994…

Everything is non ST Approved:
Non Aero Helmet No Aero fork Flapping Clothing Continental Tubulars Campy Shamal 650 Wheels All-Sponge Softride Frame Scott DH Aerobars with non 90 degree angle arm placement, and brakes scooping wind riding in a bathing suit Only one bottle (Gasp, need at least 5 for a 2009 Ironman race…) No Bento Box, strips of powerbar on top tube
It also was not a benign day…Jurgen Zack only road 4:35 the same day.

1 Greg Welch AUS 0:50:22 4:41:07 2:48:58 8:20:27

http://www.gregwelch.com/images/gw026.jpg

that’s easy. beam bikes are way faster than Cervelo P3’s or P4’s. duh.

You forgot the most important thing Dev.Welchy really knew how to party hard and didn’t mind a beer or six when he felt like it.

Kinda like Dr Tommy hehehehe!!!
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…but but but no aero helmet or aero fork or aero bottle or fast tires or or or…

Seriously though, Welch was an animal.

He does have the cages on the back of the seat that leads me to believe he had more bottles at one time during the race and I think I see a powerbar strip on the top tube, also this was state of the art back then, maybe not the fork.

The kestrel EMS fork existed in 1994. Definitely more aero, but they did not come on softrides, just Kestrels and Litespeeds at the time.

That helmet looks pretty aero to me.

Check out Welchy on the way to winning Kona 1994…

Everything is non ST Approved:
Non Aero Helmet No Aero fork Flapping Clothing Continental Tubulars Campy Shamal 650 Wheels All-Sponge Softride Frame Scott DH Aerobars with non 90 degree angle arm placement, and brakes scooping wind riding in a bathing suit Only one bottle (Gasp, need at least 5 for a 2009 Ironman race…) No Bento Box, strips of powerbar on top tube
It also was not a benign day…Jurgen Zack only road 4:35 the same day.

1 Greg Welch AUS 0:50:22 4:41:07 2:48:58 8:20:27

http://www.gregwelch.com/images/gw026.jpg
Environmental factors involved? Wind? Temp?

Those wheels are as fast as anything made today. Those Scott 100k bars are a quarter the weight of modern aero bars.

Bullshit. I have several Kestrel EMS forks, as well as a Kinesys Aluminum model just like the one Welch used on his Power-V. The Kestrel is not more aero. The shapes on both are fairly bulbous (ie. round), but the Kinesys is several mm thinner the entire length of the blades.

Chris

OK Ok…the point is not to compare the Kinesis Al fork to the Kestrel EMS…just compare it to today’s “superforks”.

Personally I think that aside from the flapping jersey, everything else is pretty good…and that helmet hardly has any vents.

His position would get ripped on by “todays standards”.

Well, we know that Welchie did not get to draft the press van which everyone throws out there when we speak of Allen.

So now when they did fast times, it was always less hot and less windy in Kona!

How about, these guys were just animals and pretty well had the entire Ironman gig dialed in as good as the current crop of guys?

Seems like an almost identical performance to Crowie last year, taking into account that Welch’s bike split and run split each have a transition tacked on:

1 Craig Alexander  Sydney    AUS 2 08:17:45 MPRO 1/92   12 14 51:43 1:22 15 16 4:37:19 24.2 1 5 2:45:01 6:18 1:41 2:04

Check out Welchy on the way to winning Kona 1994…

Everything is non ST Approved:
Non Aero Helmet No Aero fork Flapping Clothing Continental Tubulars Campy Shamal 650 Wheels All-Sponge Softride Frame Scott DH Aerobars with non 90 degree angle arm placement, and brakes scooping wind riding in a bathing suit Only one bottle (Gasp, need at least 5 for a 2009 Ironman race…) No Bento Box, strips of powerbar on top tube
It also was not a benign day…Jurgen Zack only road 4:35 the same day.

1 Greg Welch AUS 0:50:22 4:41:07 2:48:58 8:20:27

http://www.gregwelch.com/images/gw026.jpg
Welchy was state of the art. How does it rate against 2009 technology? It MAY be lacking, mostly in the wheels, but those were very good wheels in their day… 15 years ago. The thin blade aluminum fork probably still tests better than some of the behemoths being marketed today.

not to belabor the point, but one of the reasons he’s probably able to maintain that arm angle could well be that he actually has his weight on his ass and not his forearms.

I’m sure he’d go even faster if move his saddle forward 4 inches, put his arms at 90 degrees and lowered the front end…

Well, I brought up this pic to make the very point on the other thread about arm angle (go have a look).

I think those are Scott Extreme bars and not the 100k model. Still a terrific bar and featherweight compared to many (most?) of today’s bars. I dug out my old pair of Scott Extremes and have been tempted to install them again.

Brian

He’s wearing and aero helmet. I think that they were called ‘Headway’ Helments or something and were out of Aus. Paula Newby wore one as well. They were pretty popular around that time.

Some of Cobbs early fork testing showed that some of those older basic aluminum and steel bladed forks were almost as aero as some of the first true aero models like the ‘Carbonaero.’

With the exception of the 1080/H3/808s, those wheels aren’t that much different than what most of the pros have been riding in Kona the last few years.

Ahhh…yes, the extentions are together. I still think the DH was the best bar I ever rode. I still have a love for the Scott “Drop In” too.

I dug out my old pair of Scott Extremes and have been tempted to install them again.

Brian
Nothing wrong about that. It’s about time to bring back the old goodies.