Revisiting professionalism

Following up non-threateningly on the thread "Pro Income" here http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=1636632...   

The cyclical nature of being an athlete and the attributes demanded of especially the working athlete – including a high level of organization, strong capabilities in forward thinking, goal setting and orientation, high energy, emotional resilience, objective detachment, and many other personal traits – lend themselves to success in many other life endeavours. To that aim, I think it’s possible to take what we do in sport and apply it to: Generate a better living from triathlon through discussion of various facets of professionalism Apply the non-physical skills and attributes you hone as an athlete to other facets of your life and living Achieve a more mindful, balanced approach to your broader life using your triathlon hobby/passion as a framework Create a community of athletes committed to achieving a higher level of professionalism for themselves, their sponsors and the sport as a whole

      • Background * * *

My own experience as a full time working AG’er and professional triathlete was that top ten placings at various IM’s, standing on a professional ITU world championship podium (as part of the Canadian men’s elite team, 1992 Muskoka World’s) and several professional national championships (Canada long course, 1996 and 1999) didn’t really contribute a dime in income throughout the time. This was during the 1990’s and after some years of healthy detachment from the sport, it seems at a fundamental level not much has changed for the vast majority of athletes. At the same time, the professionalism of many races and governing bodies has improved, greatly in the case of the latter.

It appears that the problem lies not so much with a lack of opportunity available to professional and working AG triathletes to market themselves and seek sponsorship, but rather a lack of resources to teach them how to take advantage of the many opportunities that do exist. Let’s face it: Those drawn to a finance MBA are only rarely the ones drawn into competitive triathlon. Beyond the need to be competitive, the messages of life choices, values, work ethic, and other fundamental approaches to living life that enter triathlon are not always the same as those that create highly successful business professionals. Consequently, what the athletic community perceives to be acceptable conduct and presentation is often at odds with what serious sponsors expect, need or want. Managing a group of athletes, it has been said, “is like herding cats.”

During my time in the sport, I learned (without realizing at the time) that combining a full time job with training and racing as a professional triathlete honed the discipline, organizational skills, persistence and commitment required to succeed at a high level in many of life’s endeavours. Triathlon is unique in this regard because it offers a cyclical, mass-participation platform for people to experience a “fast track” approach to learning valuable life skills. Life is an iterative process, and our sport provides us a living laboratory in which to witness the effects of maturing and training our will, attitude, approach and orientation towards the end we have mind. With hindsight, it is clear that the end of becoming a better athlete transfers to the end of enlarging our lives, too.

What does this mean? To my athletes, I often liken the process of training for triathlon to the movie “Groundhog Day.” Each race or season can be viewed as a mini Groundhog Day in and of itself, since we get the opportunity to make changes to our bodies and attitudes and have the living laboratory of Race Day in which to witness the impact of the changes we have made. As a coach I see time and again (in 100% of the athletes I coach) that they approach the sport in the same way they approach their life, their job – forgetting that the sport doesn’t really care what their IQ is, what degrees they hold, how many people they manage, how many teenagers they parent, and so on. As a coach, my role often includes bringing an athlete 'round to the point of understanding that they have to make certain fundamental changes to their approach to training and racing if they want to improve or succeed at a higher level, much like the character played by Bill Murray in Groundhog Day had to change himself to “get the girl” in the end.

John Steinbeck once said that we are “subject to the faults of our virtues.” Meaning that what makes us strong in one part of life can also be the very thing that holds us back in another part of our lives. Training for triathlon, expecially an Ironman – where the event is long and arduous enough to bring us face to face with our inner demons and shortcomings under duress – gives us the opportunity to find our faults and understand our nature better. The degree to which we want to take up this challenge is up to each of us individually, but a certain component of this opportunity fuels each of our desires’ to take on Ironman or similar endeavours. Who are we really? How do we change or live better with those aspects we don’t like? These are questions sport provokes and answers.

Like life, triathlon (and especially Ironman) has rules but no playbook. Once you “get” the rules, you inevitably improve. Learn the rules and follow them and you will be able to play the game according to your own playbook and succeed regardless. The fundamental nugget of truth in this process is that Those Who Listen, Improve. Why? Because listening implies a willingness to change, and conveys a strong character and ability to accept one’s faults and flaws – and a desire to change these to achieve one’s goal. Triathlon affords us the opportunity to dig deeper into ourselves, confront the mirror of our results and make the changes required to improve.

During the many years of training to improve at sport, if we are open to change and accepting our faults, we can use our dedication to hone to a very high degree the skills listed above. In my case, for better or worse, the qualities that made me succeed as a professional working triathlete in the end also led to a job offer in the highly competitive world of investment banking on no more than an English degree and my resume of athletic and personal accomplishments. I say “for better or worse” because big city life in London, UK at the age of 38, went against my basic nature and life values.

Consequently, since the job turned out to be strongly at odds with how I want to live my life I have since left, having learned another valuable lesson: That those “innate skills” are trainable and teachable, but only if they are applied at something you truly love doing. We label this “passion” whether rightly or wrongly, but what it boils down to is that if you are pursuing something that is in line with your core values and beliefs about what you want out of life, you can benefit from your training on a much broader scale. Triathlon training and competing becomes an education for the rest of life and the tools and abilities you pick up in your pursuit of sport become tools and abilities that you can apply to earning your living – at the sport, or after sport.

In other words, many “professionals” and Age Groupers in our sport are leaving a lot on the table approaching the sport the way they do (unprofessionally). You can get more out of triathlon if you are more mindful about how you approach the sport. In effect, training for triathlon can become “Training For My Life 101” and it can help you succeed outside of the sport, too.

      • Athletic Professionalism * * *

Why does a resource not exist that helps athletes apply what they learn and do in sport in the business of making a living, either from or away from the sport?

I’m interested in helping establish a program to enable athletes to better exploit the time spent training, racing, living, breathing and eating triathlon in the pursuit of earning a living off it and enlarging their ability to succeed in life beyond the sport. Over the course of the next 12 months, I’d like to explore topics including:

Establishing a professional presence
Being proactive
Thinking like a sponsor: Be the sponsor.
Right appearance
Right speech
Common courtesy
Marketability: What do people want to see?
“Forget yourself”
Be the utmost in reliability
Achieve total accountability
Giving vs. Receiving
Your Job is…
Back yourself
Live up to it: No hollow words
The weekly haircut
Perception is everything
One look, one brand
Invest in yourself
Creating the brand of You
Your public persona
Using the Internet to your advantage
Letting the Internet use you to its advantage
Forum presence 101
10 Most Common Mistakes
Cover all the angles
Hire an expert
Bend over backwards for your supporters
Attention to detail
Understanding timeliness
The art of thinking ahead
Leveraging your efforts for your life
Understanding Failure: Failure is not failure. Failure is opportunity. What failure gives you
is the opportunity to think again, to redo, to re-approach, to refine.
The road to success is paved with failure. Our failures enable us to
improve ourselves in our pursuit of success.
100% Integrity. On Everything
Don’t commoditize yourself, your image, or your services.
The Secret is: Hard Work.
There is no such thing as “At all costs”


Any thoughts on the above as they relate to how we go about “being professionals” in this sport? What separates the following two athletes: one with stellar results and no real income from the sport and the other with decent to OK results who is making a full-time salary from the sport? Why do some apply their discipline to the athletic side of the sport and not to the business of being in business for themselves? Is it complacency? Is it laziness? Or is it something more emotionally complex, a question of self-confidence, self-belief and wanting to win on one’s own terms? Very often, success in endurance sport does not translate to success in business – why is this?

Let’s do some digging and find out!

What a great post. I regret however that it will fall on many deaf ears as your audience is mostly in the US and only remembers the top of the top, and want to know “what have you done for me lately”. As an idiot who used to live day to day, race to race…I get it and wish I could go back to those days - broke with a dream was much better than “not broke, and this is it”.

As great as most Tri folks are…there is still the underlieing thought that ‘Mr. NFL made XXXX millions’…it is lost on some that Tri is the ONLY sport on earth where run of the mill every day folks get to play on the same field, at the same time, in the same water, on the same roads as the worlds best…never ever will a scratch team of baseball fans play in Yankee stadium during the world series…but, in Tri…yes, we are in the same game…and playing on the same field.

Hi Marc, this is very, very interesting.

I read you other post and I suppose Felipe Bastos will be doing a lot of the work on how the Pro Athlete should act, work and “sell” himself. Actually Felipe should be going to press conferences the day before IM races and teaching people out there what to do, unless you WIN major IM´s, heck even that is not selling anymore according to our Ukraine Friend who is Vitor Zymstev manager, so there is something Felipe is doing right, he is not the fastest pro athlete, but definitely a PROFESSIONAL TRIATHLETE.

Its funny how most of the aspiring pros or age groupers “dream” about the pro lifestyle, there is a thread going on on page 1 right now “So you want to be/train like a pro”, and the guy is renting a room for 700us, I don´t thing many pro´s pay that as a rent for starters, so the pro lfiestyle is way, way overrated by age groupers and aspiring pros.

I wish you had this course set 3 years ago :slight_smile:

All the best and i hope Thai was a good one,
Vinnie

Hi vinnie, thanks for the post and insights. Yes, our man Mr. Bastos is one of the more successful, truly professional triathletes out there in the sense of cultivating a living from being an athlete. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he emigrated from Brazil at age 19 and saw the opportunity staring him in the face that many fail to see, appreciate or act upon who are born into it. Many of us who grew up in the enclaves of trigeekdom think there has been, is and will continue to be only one way of doing things.

How far, how remote from the truth. Each individual participating in this sport represents a unique package of opportunities. Really it doesn’t matter what your results are: If you are driven to make a living at this sport, WORKING at it to represent your sponsors in the best, least self-interested way, you can generate a wealth of strong, loyal bonds. The degree to which you support your sponsors is the degree to which they will support you.

There are so many facets and factors that come into this that are not obvious initially. Those who are raised to be mindful and aware of conducting themselves in a responsible, accountable and professional tend not to pursue a “career” in triathlon since there are greater opportunities elsewhere. However, there are many in our sport who offer incredible energy, passion and drive to potential and current employers, sponsors and charities if they were only to let go a little of themselves and devote their energies towards truly representing sponsor/supporter needs and ambition. You can have your cake and eat it too, if you learn to integrate professionalism and a high integrity approach into your pursuit of the sport.

These skills and approaches can and should be learned, especially by younger athletes, if you want to leverage all those hours, all that energy and all that drive poured into sport in the rest of your life. Each day, hour, moment comes by only once – might as well take what you do today and make something more of it, for later. As the saying goes at ironguides:

Every moment is a training opportunity – in more ways than you think.

Marc, excellent post, and this applies across all walks of life…triathlon just gives a venue to practice it. If you don’t mind, I will forward the text to some people that I know that never come to this forum and cc ya!

Hi record10! Great quote: “Broke with a dream was much better than not broke, this is it.” I confess I left banking for reasons with overtones to do with precisely this equation. There is a kind of living in struggling – and it could be that precisely this understanding is what drives the near-disdain with which people approach professionalism in triathlon. Triathlon is at its heart meant to be about struggle, overcoming, seeing things through under duress. Perhaps there are those who confuse a philosophy of overcoming struggle with a desire for wealth, comfort, a better standard of living, and for what appear to be “noble” reasons choose a rockier road than we need to. Disentangling this tendency can lead to greater content, happiness, success - within and outside sport.

“The things that matter should never be at the mercy of the things that don’t.”

  • Goethe

Alrighty right…I’ll probably include some version in the next ironguides.net newsletter.

Marc,

Good stuff.

Having been involved with one aspect of sales and/or marketing my whole working life, much of what you talk about is second nature to me. I am often surprised that people and athletes who are not involved in sales, marketing or some other entreprenurial pursuit, are not that familier with the skill set - but I should not be as they have had no exposure to this way of life.

The two key things are:

  1. The ability to listen - really listen, so that you understand what the other party needs.

  2. You need to give, and often give, a lot, to get something back.

So Fleck - was does Nineteen need? What can I provide to help you achieve this?

Go ahead…I’m listenin’…

:slight_smile:

Who’s selling who? :slight_smile:

I have an update for you that I will share with you once all is confirmed.

Ok my friend…I would at this point offer to buy you lunch if you were on this end of the pond… :slight_smile: …and maybe combine it with one of our training camps on the French Riviera at the end of March. :slight_smile:


Any thoughts on the above as they relate to how we go about “being professionals” in this sport? What separates the following two athletes: one with stellar results and no real income from the sport and the other with decent to OK results who is making a full-time salary from the sport? Why do some apply their discipline to the athletic side of the sport and not to the business of being in business for themselves? Is it complacency? Is it laziness? Or is it something more emotionally complex, a question of self-confidence, self-belief and wanting to win on one’s own terms? Very often, success in endurance sport does not translate to success in business – why is this?

Let’s do some digging and find out!

What I see in some top age groupers is a strange conflict of wanting to be the best and wanting people to acknowledge it but being held back by the fear that others would see them as egotistical or otherwise a bad person if they show confidence in their abilities. There’s a lot of downplaying and minimizing of achievements that can come off as disingenuous and contradictory to some of their other behaviors. Truth is, people are attracted to confidence, but generally de-tracted from cockiness.

So what’s the difference between the two? I propose that confidence is not over-stating or under-stating ones’ own capabilities and has a feel of calm power to it. It’s this aura I look for when racing in an event where I’m not familiar with the competition to identify the top talent. It works remarkably well. Now cockiness would probably be overstating capability and probably comes from a root of fear that they must perform in order to confirm they are an OK person. Cockiness can result in others wishing negative outcomes to that person, which is the opposite of what the cocky individual is really seeking-- acceptance. In truth, it’s best to start with self-acceptance, but I’m probably swinging well off topic now.

So what about those folks that send out mixed signals? Those that are very good and know it within themselves, but make untrue statements overly minimizing their achievements even though their behaviors suggest otherwise? These are conflicted individuals that will lead to conflicted behaviors, such as “I do this for myself and not for the money,” inferring that profiting from a developed skill is somehow bad. Just look at some of the comments to the thread about the Bennett’s, who are clearly successful ahtletically and financially. Conflicted individuals will see profit-seeking behavior as somehow unpure or negative rather than a pragmatic behavior to capitalize on one type of success to improve financial security. So maybe (I’m thinking as I go here), those folks that apply athletic success towards business success are appropriately confident and pragmatic. Not everybody is this for various reasons. It takes all types to make the world go around, I guess.

That is an amazing post!

You hit the nail on the head – perhaps this sort of conflict that you describe is likely to be found more predominantly in those drawn to endurance sports than in the broader population. You would be surprised how common this trait is in top professionals…or perhaps, you would *not *be!

It is possible that a conflicted athlete who minimizes their achievements and infers negative connotations to profiting from and marketing their success suffers from a deep-rooted lack of confidence and does not hold a strong belief in themselves and their own ability to succeed beyond sport.

By assigning a negative value to material success built on athletic results, the athlete is seeking to substantiate a set of values that drives them to achieve at sport but not elsewhere, in essence creating a hierarchy of values that substantiates their thought processes, emotional logics and values and places these on top of a sort of “hierarchy” of values.

You see this when we resort to quotations, philosophies, notions of nobility and heroism and all sorts of values to bolster a philosophy that may lead to athletic success but not contribute to material well-being when a more pragmatic “middle way” might be available that satisfies both needs.

“No pain, no gain” for example – perhaps it ain’t necessarily so.

The flip side is where sport lapses into a low-integrity, ruthless pursuit of winning at all costs specifically to reap material gains. This is the ugly shadow of “professionalism” as the ruthless urge to win at all costs for self-promotion or material winnings has overtaken all integrity – these sorts incidents then only serve to strengthen the resolve of the conflicted athlete. True professionalism then must include a strong desire to root out cheaters and promote clean sport.

I think you hit the nail on the head when you bring up the impact of someone’s VALUES on their subsequent behavior. To restate what you’ve said, people with different sets of values according to the type of activity (business vs. sport), will behave in a conflicted manner, because they don’t have a clear fundamental set of values to draw upon. For whatever reason. A set of positive values underpinning behaviors will also prevent the scenario of low-integrity, win at all costs you also mention.

I think maybe your Professionalism 101 course would benefit from starting students with a fundamental values identification exercise. Sounds fluffy, but it’s really rather pragmatic. If you know what’s really important to you, it’s a lot easier to make those tough decisions that come up later in the process.

Thank you! That is a very good piece of advice - I will definitely implement it!

My pleasure! Please keep sharing your thoughts. I really enjoy learning from your posts.

One other comment – I think this conflicted behavior is more prevalent outside of endurance sport than you think. It’s very common in creative fields, such as art or music. Just think of the “selling out” criticism that is used so frequently to downgrade a more financially successful group or individual.

Marc, actually, what you are mentioning is nothing new…be it engineers, mathmaticians, athletes, accountants, and so on…it is often very difficult for a person to convert technical capability into financial/business success. Frankly, triathletes are no different in that regard than many athletes or scientists…this is why athletes often need an “agent” to package up the offering and convert success on the field of play to business success.

I use the example of Victor Zymetsev (sp?) only as an example here…3xIronman Austria winner, 3xIMNA Champion, sub 2:50 marathoner, and a really nice great guy. This guy can be a pretty nicely packaged up marketable “property”. His only weakness is living in the Ukraine and not being completely fluent in English (…but he’s good enough). On another thread, I suggested that he get an agent who can assist him in “packaging up” the offering from a business perspective.

Its just like in a company…you have engineers that make the product then you have marketing guys that package it up, and sales guys that go and close the deal…most athletes just need help with respect to packaging it all up and getting the deal signed…its really not their fault…as you mention, most don’t have MBAs in marketing :-).

Dev

Marc, you said, “Why do some apply their discipline to the athletic side of the sport and not to the business of being in business for themselves? Is it complacency? Is it laziness? Or is it something more emotionally complex, a question of self-confidence, self-belief and wanting to win on one’s own terms? Very often, success in endurance sport does not translate to success in business – why is this?”


I think on the simplest level, you can view it from the world of Adam Smith. In “Wealth of Nations” he broke things up by:
division of labour pursuit of self interest freedom of trade

I think the division of labour part is the most applicable here. Smith compared agriculture (with minimal division of labour and low productivity) to industrial revolution era manufacturing where workers were employed in specialized tasks that they become good and efficient at.

If you look at the business of being a triathlete, the first step is to devote time to get fast and win races. From a division of labour perspective, the athlete views spending time on that aspect of the trade as the prerequisite to success. This is in his self interest and he becomes better and better at this area of specialty…however, the athlete then has to decide from a division of labour perspective how much energy to put into the business side, or if he needs to outsource that to someone who can do it better.

Many don’t even see that division and don’t devote enough effort to the other half or don’t recognize that they can’t do it well enough.

When in Kona, I was actually surprised by how few Tier 2 and Tier 3 pros were “networking” at the sports expo, where many of the players and decision makers in the industry are co located. Going back to division of labour, many are trying to get rest to have a “good race”…the reality is that there are 10-15 guys who have a hope of actually finishing in the real money (ie make more than cover the cost of their trip)…whether some guy finishes in 8:51 of 9:05 is going to change nothing.

Instead, investing time with potential industry players (focusing on the business side), would likely have a much larger financial reward, then differentiating between 25th and 40th overall. This is the biggest networking venue for the industry…the athlete should have a solid sequence of apointments with potential sponsors at least for the first part of the week. Whether they do it themselves, or outsource it to an agent is another decision.

Dev

I wish the job applicants that I deal with, at a bare minimum, read this list, let alone possessed some of the skills.

A lot of it comes very easily to people, however I personally feel that a majority of these skills can’t be taught. You either have it or you think you have it, but aren’t sentient enought to realize that you don’t.

Brad

Dev, those are two great points you make. Indeed, as an athlete working at the sharp end of the field, the level of fatigue and time commitments from training hard often compromised motivation and ability to pursue business interests. The very aim of “being as fast as possible” that is a professional athlete’s top priority in effect undermines his ability to make a living at the sport - were some of those efforts dedicated to self- and sponsor promotion, he or she might be able to reap the rewards of their commitment to a greater extent.

Ohhh, the irony…