Resolution: Guys Who Wear Swimming "Jammers" Have Issues!

I wear a swimsuit that looks like a pair of baggy gym shorts. If I decided to race masters, I would probably wear the same type of suit just to make 40 something guys wearing tiny lycra suits and shaving down for something as meaningless as a masters’ meet look even more foolish than they have already made themselves.

Even when I swam competitively, I usually wore at least two nylon suits in practice. For that matter, I wore at least two nylon suits for most of my college dual meets. Even in races decided by hundredths of seconds, the suit is rarely the difference between swimmers.

Sticking with my “Shorts of Choice”

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Who do I have to impress???

I tried jammers for a while. I found that they degraded really quickly, so I’d need a new one every month or so. I’d know they were done because I’d get out of the pool and they’d be drooping down well past my knees. I tried everything to help them last longer, but it didn’t seem to matter.

I bought a pair of the speedo poly mesh trainers 2 years ago and they are still going strong. They are like a regular speedo banana hammock, only they’re made out of the nylon mesh used for most gym shorts. I think they are considered a drag suit, but it doesn’t seem to drag too much. They are indestructible…they haven’t even faded (or if they have it’s been very little).

BTW… I take a size 36, so I guess I exceed a few people’s threshold for the maximum size of a speedo. However, I have no gut to speak of, so it’s not like there’s cellulite dripping over the edges of me speedo.

I swim with a USA Club Swim Team and I will agree that the best swimmers don’t wear jammers, they actually wear square cut drag suits ( I will go ahead and call this a speedo). This is an actual conversation I overheard in the locker room before the 10 year olds got in the pool. Yes these were 10 year old boys.

“What’s the deal with all you fags wearing Speedos? Speedos are gay”

“Speedos are not gay all the fast swimmers practice with Speedos, just look at (names off the best older swimmers on the team).”

“Well I wouldn’t wear one because they are gay and make you look like a homo.”

“Maybe they do but I can beat you by 4 seconds wearing this speedo so you can either shut up or race me.”

I just died laughing and told the kid “good for you, wear your speedo and as long as you can beat the kid wearing the jammers, go ahead and brag about it.”

It comes down to one simple rule “if you got it, flaunt it”.

TJ Tollakson

You could not be more wrong about suits and whether they make a difference in the outcome of races. There is a reason why in the olympics you see Thorpe wearing a full bodysuit or Phelps with what looks like leggings.

Swim a 200 for time in your drag suit and them see if you can borrow one of these $200+ body suits and swim the same 200. I’m willing to bet that the time difference will be between 1-2 seconds.

Are you serious?

Of course a fullsuit is faster for racing. What do you think Phelps and Thorpe train in? Drag Suits. There you go, we all know that the Aquablade type fullsuits are faster than skin, that’s not the issue. The issue is what do the better swimmers wear to practice in. Sound like you really have an issue.

Wear a speedo and be proud.

I train in a regular “speedo” and race in a body suit. The difference is huge. When you wear a full suit you push off almost a yard further. Training with loose suits creates drag (extra resistance) which makes you stronger. Sometimes wear a fast suit to feel the speed.

There is always a need for speed.

Doug Stern

NiceTri you misunderstood my post. My post was directed to CTL that said that suits don’t make a difference in a race. Your post agrees with me that they do.

No problems with speedos. I’ve been wearing mine proudly for the last 27 years (not the same one).

Booth

Nice post and very right on.

I see not point in wearing jammers unless you are way over weight. And as others have said the things fall appart in a month.

Speedos - we ya very few can wear one, and again the lycra ones fall appart in a month. Huge waste of $$$.

I think the prime swim training appearl is the nylon baggy, box cut type speedo - guess really not a speedo - but I dont know the exact name for it.

And your observation about long time competitive swimmers having lost most all modesty is absolutly correct. After having stood in front of thousands of people over the years in a very small speedo skin suit (I sawm competitivly long before jammers or body type suits) I like my counter parts have not problem wearing very little cloths. However, this im-moddesty is far different that being willing to strut around way over weight in a speedo. When I was way fat, and I really once was, no speedo was ever worn, just the baggy sufer swim suits to lay around the pool in.

My mistake.

Keep rocking the speedo.

Does bringing a printed copy of my workout onto the pool deck tag me as a triathlete? How about using a wristwatch to record my splits? BTW, I do wear a Speedo.

What I actually said was that the suit rarely is the difference. If you get down to 50s and 100s between extremely evenly matched swimmers, then I agree that the suits may make a difference, some small portion of the time. But, even this is rare, and the results from the Olympics and other world class meets prove my point.

Exhibit 1: Ian Thorpe won the 400 meter free at the last two Olympics by such a large margin than he would have won even if he were wearing the same type of oversized nylon suit that Mark Spitz wore.

Exhibit 2: There is no consensus about which suits are best. Ian Thorpe wears a full one; Klete Keller wears bib johns and Michael Phelps wears the legging sort of thing. It still seems that your feel for the water is perceived by world class swimmers to be more important than the best hydrodynamics. Otherwise, everyone would wear the same full suit that Ian Thorpe wears.

Exhibit 3: Even in world class competition, in the shortest races, decided by fractions of a second, the same swimmers usually win. For example, Gary Hall now usually wins the 50, but he never beat Popov when Popov was in his prime. This leads me to conclude that it is usually the swimmer, whether because of ability, training or desire, and rarely the suit.

I agree I would probably swim a little faster wearing a $400 fastskin suit instead of the $25 swim trunks that I bought at Dunhams. But, there are so many other things, like how often and how hard I train, how good my start and turns are and how psyched up I am for a race that would have much more impact upon my 200 time than what suit I am wearing.

But, I am not swimming in the Olympics and even chose to swim D3 instead of D1 in college because I was going there to learn, not swim. It seems to me that if you are over 25, live in America and swimming for fun, not profit, then you look really silly wearing a tiny lycra suit. But, real men don’t care what other people think.

I agree that people get too focused on the technology sometimes, I dont’ do GPS but feel lost without HRM monitor. I disagree about the clothes though, when I am doing my workouts in the summer I wear tri clothes for two reasons. Tri clothes are way more comfortable, I hate “running shorts” and 2 they just work better for those workouts.

No different than roadies wearing their full gear on rides

Pictures…PLEEEAAAASSSEEEE!!!

I always wanted a pair of Birdwell’s, but they were way too expensive back then. Heck, i think I was in Elementary school and they cost something like $15…whew, to think I pay more for Jammers now…

Conjures the image of the Krispy Kreme calendar girls…

and i see no point in wearing speedos unless you are european…

The reason is that, by in large, the only Americans who wear speedos are former/current competitive swimmers who were forced to wear them. The average Joe doesn’t like them

Probably one area where the US’s sqeamishness about sexuality is a good thing - contrast to the stereotypical fat hairy European guy in tight speedo’s… yuck!

I think it’s also an age thing. Jammers are relatively new. If you’ve been swimming for a long time, you’ve always worn speedos and will probably continue to do so. Those who’ve come around later watch the stud swimmers and the trend now is to go with more coverage, not less, and why show your junk if you don’t have to? Most of the fast kids I see these days are wearing the jammers.

I don’t think it even matters that much about your body comp. IMO, the jammers look better on everyone, regardless of their size. I’m extremely lean but I think I look like a moron in speedos so I rarely wear them.

The reason is that, by in large, the only Americans who wear speedos are former/current competitive swimmers who were forced to wear them. The average Joe doesn’t like them

Exactly. Most “new” swimmers, whether they are cut or not, usually opt for more coverage.