But at least your $120k includes tickets to watch a good football team on weekends!
sure, as a Pro triathlete i was abble to buy a big house in cascais with a nice view to the beach where i can go for a open water swim, If the weather is bad i have a 50m pool. I also have 20 km of private trails around the house. The roads are traffic free, i can choose from flat or hilly courses.
its a good living
What is infinity * zero?
The question is somewhat shortsighted. Neither represents a number. As such, you might as well ask us what is equal to, or maybe . Further, they represent the same entity, though that seems to be a paradox. Infinity can not exist without the void of zero. The answer then is both infinity and zero at the same time.
“The question is somewhat shortsighted. Neither represents a number. As such, you might as well ask us what is equal to, or maybe . Further, they represent the same entity, though that seems to be a paradox. Infinity can not exist without the void of zero. The answer then is both infinity and zero at the same time.”
While your deduction that the question is as arbitrary as (mouse x pencil) is debatable, I don’t see how it is shortsighted. By your rationale, I would say that the answers are shortsighted, but isn’t the quizzer given the right to focus on whatever subset he so choses, and leave it up to those answering to find all possible answers?
If someone asks me what 2 x 2 is, do they also have to ask me what 4 x 1 is? (to not be shortsighted)
my calculator would say ‘undefined’
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You are absolutely correct. After hitting “post reply” it occurred to me that “shortsighted” was not really descriptive of the thought in my head. My apologies if this was taken to be offensive. I’ve read that there are four types of energy about us; that which we know, that which we don’t know, that which we don’t know we don’t know, and that which we can not know. I believe the last type of energy there is representative of inorganic energy, and as our vessels are organic, we do not have the sensory tools to know inorganic forms. I believe the answer to the original question includes “that which we can not know” and that was why I was alluding to the “shortsightedness”, because it is a question whose answer can be understood by no man. Well, maybe it just can’t be understood by me, and I’m choosing to include everybody else in this category, so it would appear it is I that might be the shortsighted one after all. Interesting.
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I only responded becaused I liked your answer the most of all of them - you are really onto something there, but I just felt it needed a little tweaking. Definitely no offense taken…interesting stuff for sure.
Neither represents a number./reply]
Zero is a real number and ANYTHING (even if it is so large as to not be able to be represented by a number) multiplied by it is, by definition, equal to zero.
The odds are better than you might think. I just found out today an old buddy of mine is going to be her date at her new movie premier! Talk about crazy luck!
“Zero is a real number” - Are you sure on that one?
Also, by definition, anything multiplied by infinity is infinity. So you’re calculation while correct, I believe, is not a sufficient answer. I’m in the camp that infinity x 0 is indefinite, meaning it could be 0, infinity, or anything in between. But again, I’m not 100% sure that is correct either. I’m sure that 0/0 is indefinite, the question is whether or not 0/0 = infinity x 0. I believe it does.
Infinity is as much a number (or not a number) as zero.
Edit: I checked and it appears that zero is a number since it obeys the rules of arithmetic, whereas infinity fails some of these. However, it does seem that 0 x infinity is indeterminate.
I’d question Frank as well. How can zero be defined as a number, let alone anything, when it’s very nature is to be void of all things?
How things have changed since I’ve described the original question as shortsighted. Huh, what a chump I can be. Due to the nature of the very elements involved in this question it is not only *not *shortsighted, but in fact a legitimate question whose reflection leads us on the path of answering our existence. I had the most wonderful revelation driving home tonight, certainly due to the drone of the freeway sending me into the alpha wave frequency. It was such that Infinity divided by Zero in fact equals One! It’s marvelous. I kid you not my eyes got a bit moist. The basic concepts are as follows. There is an all pervasive Void whose energetic expression is without limits; in the equation this is “Infinity”. The Earth is but a representative of the Void; as such it is “Zero” in the equation. When the Void is divided by the Earth, the result is One; Man.
I got so excited about this that I didn’t even re-read the original question of this thread. What is Infinity multiplied by Zero!?, not what the answer to Infinity divided by Zero is. To further magnify the mysterious nature of the question, initial observation appears the two are functionally the same expression.
What were the two errors? If I remember correctly there are two classes of numbers, real numbers and imaginary numbers. Is zero not a real number? Is infinity not a real number, albeit undefined? Isn’t the value of any real number multiplied by zero, zero. Am I so old such that math changed after the invention of algebra. Are we in some wierd 12 dimensional state here?
We spent a goodly amount of time working these types of problems in a discrete mathematics course I took a few years ago. Being rusty, I wasn’t sure if it was 0 or NaN.
This thread just goes to show you that the folks on this forum can/will argue about anything.
I don’t have much time as I have to run off to VeloSwap today.
It has been awhile but, aren’t many of the classes of numbers you mentioned subsets of the class of real numbers? What is the smallest number of classes required to encompass all numbers?
Then, also, isn’t the problem one of definition. How is infinity defined. This seems similar to the Conconi test definition in another thread. Definitions can “evolve” yet some deny this evolution (see conconi test thread). If asked how many stars there are in the heavens one answer is infinite because we know it is very large, uncountable, unknowable, even though we know it is a real number (albeit, constantly changing), even though such an answer may not suit a strictly mathematical definition applied by a mathematician. Infinity may not be a number under one definition, but it can represent a number under another. If it represents a number then it seems to me the answer is zero, and correctly so, depending upon the definition.
So, the answer should be, it depends!
if it not a strictly mathematical definition, then it’s wrong.
It is wrong from the strictly mathematical point of view. However, if one were to go to the Oxford English dictionary and look up the definition of infinity I suspect that there would be a definition that encompassed a real number, such as immeasurability. When one asks a non-mathemetician such a question (without specifying the definition to be used) and the non-mathemetician applies a perfectly appropriate definition to the word and comes up with the “correct” answer, it does not make the answer “wrong” per se, unless they are trying to get credit for that answer in math class. Except to mathemeticians, there is more than one meaning of the word infinity. I suspect even you have used that word in its non-mathematical sense. That is the confusion.
We haven’t had one of these in a while:
What is infinity * zero?
Freestyle, they’re all steering you wrong. Everyone knows the answer is 42. Now I just have to find my towel.
ok Frank, you are right. i am wrong, I should have asked Oxford english dic. to teach me maths instead of spending 10 years in college…
You see, this is where my advantage lies; I’m a college drop-out. The question that was originally asked is of an esoteric nature, in which case a formal training in mathematics will not supply one with the necessary tools to intuit either the original question or the answer to it. In fact, lengthy indoctrination into the masculine schools of thought is a great disadvantage when confronted with a question whose elements are of a feminine energy. What we need here is for a lucid elderly woman, who embodies infinity, to drop in on this discussion and show us the way. I trust she would share with us that the product of Infinity multiplied by Zero is the expression of life itself.
Try this school for ten years, Francois.
Absent the old lucid lady, we could always ask God, (Clapton)pictured below, as long as he’s around.
Frank,
While on every other discussion we’ve had I had no grounds to call you an idiot, your discussion with Francois, which btw is a mathematician, is one of the most idiotic things I have ever read here. You missed a great carreer as a lawyer, because you sure as hell didn’t miss one as an engineer or a medical doctor.