Question for the runners out there

I just recently in the past 3 months decided to focus on running. I’ve done an IM and I ran just under a 10 minute pace off the bike for the marathon – while my overall time was good for a first time IMer, 12:09, I figure until I can RUN and not jog off the bike, I won’t try another IM…I’ve done one, I know I can do it, it was a great experience…I’m just not one for repeating it with an identical or only marginally improved result.

So I am focused on the run and I’m not historically a “quick recoverer.” I ran a rolling terrain half marathon on Monday. It had A LOT of sharp turns on the course and I was less than 1 minute off of my PR. I didn’t taper for it and I did a decently paced 20-miler just 8 days prior with a speed workout and a marathon paced workout among the 6 runs in between the 20-miler and the half marathon.

Just yesterday I tried a really tough workout (1.5 mile warm up, 2 miles 10K pace, 3 miles marathon pace, 1 mile 5K pace, 2 miles 10K pace, 1.5 miles cool down). In addition to getting a good feel for pace, the workout is supposed to make “M” pace feel easy (which it did). That said, I wasn’t able to hit all the intervals exactly (although I was able to hit all of the marathon pace intervals, I was a ~15 second off on the 5K paced mile and the second of each of the two miles within the 10K paced miles were slow, also by ~15 seconds. I also stopped and had to massage this crazy issue I’ve had with my calf after the first two 10K miles and before the 5K mile…(that issue has been addressed with new shoes and orthodics but hasn’t completely gone away…and only is a real problem at high intensity)

So I felt my exertion / effort level was high even though I didn’t really accomplish what I was supposed to EXACTLY during the workout…I’m thinking it was too close to the half marathon (half was on Labor Day Monday and the tough workout was on Thursday…plus I did a 7.5 mile run that was M pace +15 seconds on Weds).

So for the runners: Do you think that these workouts were too close together? Will I eventually get fit enough that I can handle a shorter recovery? If I had run easier on Weds, would I have been better off? Also, when you are strictly running, how many harder workouts are you doing a week?

Also, right now my mileage is about 50 MPW - - longer weeks are in the low 60s.

I do have a coach…it’s just that I am always torn between having him “dumb down” things to my level and challenging myself…After the workout I expressed my opinion about it beeing too close to the race for me and he agreed - - told me I should speak up more often on such things…but he also thought I did it really well (all things considered).

So I am focused on the run and I’m not historically a “quick recoverer.” I ran a rolling terrain half marathon on Monday. It had A LOT of sharp turns on the course and I was less than 1 minute off of my PR. I didn’t taper for it and I did a decently paced 20-miler just 8 days prior with a speed workout and a marathon paced workout among the 6 runs in between the 20-miler and the half marathon.

I do have a coach…it’s just that I am always torn between having him “dumb down” things to my level and challenging myself…After the workout I expressed my opinion about it beeing too close to the race for me and he agreed - - told me I should speak up more often on such things…but he also thought I did it really well (all things considered).
Uhm…

A 20 mile workout 8 days prior, and then a speed and a marathon race pace in the next few days before the 1/2?

Was all that your idea or your coach’s? And if he agreed it was too close to the race and depended on you speaking up to point it out, why did he even give it?

Either your coach is whacked in his workout assignment, or your not listening to him. Either way, why are you paying him again?

John

The goal wasn’t to PR at the half…I’m thinking it’s a good sign that I was that close to my PR given the rest of my training load (I had 15 miles scheduled so with warm up and cool down, the half marathon fit in quite nicely).

I “accidently” ran harder than I should have on Weds…didn’t use the Garmin thinking that going by feel would make me run slower but when I looked at the course I ran and my total time, I realized it was M pace +15 - - so that wasn’t proscribed, just the way it shook out.

Since running REALLY is my limiter, I’m also thinking I did the best I could have on Thurs and that it was too close to the other runs to have been done exactly right. My questions, which are near the bottom of the post, have nothing to do with the quality of my coaching (my coach is a former D1 distance runner though, not a triathlete…so a very different perspective on how to approach a stand alone marathon I think…)

Oh, and I’m not paying him since I’m his first athlete :slight_smile: and his girlfriend :slight_smile:

Why do you say running is your limiter? What is your half PR? What is your stand alone marathon pace?

50 to 60 mpw is getting up there in mileage. You should see nice improvements with that continued mileage, although I would cut out some of the high intensity stuff and focus more on getting in the high mileage at a slower pace.