Question about shoes?

I am a long time runner and a recent triathlete and am now in the middle of training for IMAZ. I am looking at purchasing a some new shoes as my asics are wearing down. My question is with long distance training and running, it seems like a lot of the shoes that are advertised as high mileage shoes are heavier. Im sure that is because they offer a little more support and cushion for all the pounding. But would it not be sensible to shift to a shoe that is much lighter for longer distances? Im not looking at finding a shoe that is going to make me faster, Im not trying to win anything just finish. So I guess Im wondering what do some of yall suggest in looking into as far as lighter training and race day shoes. I just want a shoe that will last, but will provide the most relief and comfort througout the many miles Im putting in, and I didnt know if a lighter shoe might do that? I have tried on every shoe I can get my hands on and yet it still just seems like a never ending decision. Im just not crazy about the asics 2130 I have right now and am in that mood to try something new. So do I look at support or weight? Thanks for any suggestions or advice. If it helps, I am 26 yrs old, 6’ and 185lbs.

Here is a list of shoes i have been researching
newtons trainers
new balance 904
asics ds trainer
ua trainer

Well, since you are now an aspiring triathlete - get the Newtons! :wink:

Just kidding.

My recommendation is the NB 904 if it fits you - very light, light medial posting and midfoot support, nice heel/forefoot transition (ride) and reasonably durable for it’s class.

look into the Saucony Tangent as well. I can’t speak for durability, as I’ve been running in mine for less then a month, but I love them. They have roughly the same feel as the fastwitch 2’s (flats) except more cushion and a slightly stiffer post.

The only caveat is that they run a little narrow, which happens to fit my odd feet really well (usually have to order a B width which is slighlty too narrow). Before finding the tangents, I was prepared to buy the Mizuno wave rider or the wave precision, both of which have that light weight, minimal support feeling but with enough cushion for longer distances.

I personally prefer a lightweight trainer with SuperFeet insoles for the extra support. I love the Avi Lite II model by Avia. I have found that the heavier shoes give me lots of knee problems. Don’t go too light or you lose the impact reduction and your shins will not be happy. It really comes down to personal preference and unfortunately you may have to spend a lot of money to find the right shoe for you since it takes a couple dozen miles before you know the “shoe fits” in my experience. I went through 5 different shoe models before I ended up with Avia this year.

Jodi

Be very careful about switching - there is a big differnce between various models. I used the Asics 2000 series for a long time based on a recommendation from a local shoe store and then switched to the Gel Nimbus - it really messed me up. I didn’t realize it until I spoke to the local shoe rep and asked him the difference. Turns out there is a big difference. I use the 2000 series now for training and then the Zoots for racing and any kind of short tempo runs. I really like the Zoots as they are light and don’t get soaking wet during a race.

Bottom line is go to a reputable running/triathlon store and ask them these questions - they’ll make sure you are in the correct shoe based on your running style.

If you have the right form, I think you’ll find less is definitely more in terms of shoes. But the problem is that having worn normal thick running shoes most of our lives, few of us have the right form.

There has been something of a movement in the running community in recent years towards minimalist shoes. The idea is pretty simple: Big thick soled shoes prevent your body from running the way it was supposed to. The natural shock absorption and spring built into your joints and tendons is compromised by a reliance upon EVA and air soles. As a result we simply do not run properly. We land on our heels and the tendons/joints/muscles that we need for proper form weaken. The Newtons are one response to this problem but “minimalism” is something different.

The next time you have a chance, take off your shoes and run barefoot in the grass. Notice how differently you land then when you are in shoes. I’ll bet your heels never ever touch the ground. That should give you an idea of how much big thick shoes alter your stride.

About 4 or 5 years ago, I started phasing in more minimalist shoes into my running. I started doing a couple of my weekly runs in what amount to little more than racing flats. Perhaps they could charitably be called “lightweight trainers” but the point is there was very little too them. I could not rely on them for cushioning so I had to run more smoothly. I had to find and use that spring that we all have in our lower joints and muscles. It certainly prevented any overstriding I might have had. Nobody is going to land on their heels when there is nothing there to cushion them.

Aside from helping to cure a nasty case of plantar fasciitis which had bothered me for a year, they also helped improve my stride a bit and find some consistency (via freedom from injury) which I had been lacking. Over a very short time I phased them in up to the point where I was doing almost every run in them. That is true to this day. I rarely run in shoes that weigh more than 9 ounces. I still do 80-100 miles per week so they do not limit my mileage. The biggest irony is that I get more miles out of the minimal shoes than I ever got out of regular trainers. Where my old Nike Pegasus used to last maybe 300-500 miles, I rarely get less than 1000 miles out of a pair of the shoes I wear now. When you don’t rely upon the midsole to protect your body, it doesn’t matter much if it compresses. I’ll never go back.

The key thing to understand is that the ***shoe ***is not providing relief or comfort. Joints and muscles are. The shoe (or lack thereof) forces them to. I land better over my center of gravity. My lower foot flexes more fully. My muscles and tendons stretch, absorb shock and spring back more so than they do in regular trainers

But this did not happen overnight. I do NOT recommend you go buy a pair of racing flats and suddenly do every run in them. That’s asking for an injury. Your body needs time to get used to something like this. But consider getting some sort of minimal shoe and doing a run or two per week in them. Do not worry about pace, just go easily. If the shoe is truly minimal, you will quickly be forced to run somewhat differently. This is a good thing and will produce good adaptations but you cannot just jump into it. Your body has years of running in regular thick shoes and will not adapt overnight.

Try that for a few months. See how it feels. Find some sort of minimal shoe. It could be a racing flat. It could be a lightweight trainer. The key is to find something without a huge built up heel. The drop from heel to toe in the shoe should not be much. I think if you do it right, you will find yourself wanting to do more an more miles in less and less shoe

Note that there are downsides to “minimalism”. You are forced to pay better attention to lower leg flexibility. You really need to stretch and massage those calf muscles if they are to help provide the extra spring required. You neglect that at your peril. Furthermore if you do get a lower leg injury - like an achilles injury - running in minimal shoes tends to exploit it and aggravate it more than regular shoes. In other words, if you hurt your achilles, go back to the regular shoes for a while or take time off from running. Finally, keep in mind that I had been running for almost 20 years before I tried this so I had a pretty good idea of how to recognize and back off from injury. If you are not good at backing away, well… be more careful.

But overall, I think it’s a good way to teach yourself to run better. I actually own the Newtons and while they are OK, I think the minimal shoe approach is better, provided it is phased in very gradually.

Wow, thanks for all of he great responses and advice. Being only 26 I guess my big concern is I want to be able to be doing this 40 years from now. I dont want to be battling knee or feet problems if I can help it. I know there is always some pain and soreness involved in running but I dont want to have long term problems. Thats why I have been interested in the newtons or maybe a lightweight trainer to encourage a more natural motion. Its not about speed for me, I just want something that protects me, and Im not sure the padding and cushioned shoes are the answer? I guess I will just try, try, and try some more until maybe I get lucky. I am working hard on my form and technique, just really trying to be as efficient as possible with each step. I really enjoy running and I just want my body to enjoy it as long as I do.

Apologies in advance if you find this to be a redundant bit of advice.

If you are in a quandry over shoe choice it is worth a trip to a specialty running store. I bought shoes for years on line mainly out of convenience and had a few nagging issues with feet, knees, etc. but nothing major. I was at a triathlon expo a few years ago outside Toledo, Ohio for Team Toledo Triathlon Club and visited a booth from one of the Team’s sponsors, Dave’s Performance Footgear. These guy’s started out of the owner’s pick-up truck selling shoes at running events. Now they are a full service running shoe retailer.

Anyway.

I was impressed with the lengths to which these fellows went to fit me and the interesting shoes suggestions they made. I left with a shoe I likely would have never bought and some insoles. Bottom line- I ran more comfortably so I ran more so I got better.

If you have a local specialty running store check them out. If they are truly experts they likely will be able to offer some very valuable advice on shoe selection. Shoes change so fast that its tough for the non-shoe salesperson to keep up with the changes. Maybe a local running shoe expert could point you in some useful directions. It worked for me.

I have a somewhat similar story to JoeO. I was going through a pair of shoes per month since my feet started to complain after I went over 250 miles in any one pair. I read some info on running barefoot or in flats and decided to try it. I started out slow and ran off-road as much as possible, until I went to Iraq where I was only pavement or fairly hard packed dirt. I made it to about 10 hours running a week before I had problems, but I recognized them, backed off for a bit, bought a pair of lightweight trainers and resumed training. Since then–four years ago–I have bought exactly three pairs of shoes and I’m still using all three of them, though I used the cushioned pair the least.

I run in at least three pairs of shoes regularly, that are each three to five years old. One pair is a flat, one is a cross country spike and one is a trail racer. The key for me is running 90 percent of my runs off-road. If you are confined to pavement then you will need to run in cushioned shoes more of the time and pay attention to the miles on each pair. I race in a pair of Brooks T-3s that I initially used for training, but now have all the outsole worn off, the insole removed, the tongue cut out and the heel support notched so as to make them comfortable sock-less. I can run up to 10K on the road, assuming the surface is smooth, but it is definately requires some recovery because those shoes provide no cushion and are just there to protect the bottom of my feet.

Running in less cushioned shoes has several benefits, not the least of which is money saved on shoes. I would recommend a range of shoes to all but the most biomechanically perfect. One pair of cushioned trainers for those days when your feet are not happy. A couple of pair of lightweight trainers or heavier flats for most day to day running and a pair of spikes or very thin flats to mimic barefoot running in a limited amount. The more you run on the pavement the more you will need the cushioning.

Chad

Regarding outsole wear: The outsole has traditionally been the part of the shoe I wear out first. With the shoes I wear now – the ones that last a long time – I should admit I have taken to coating the outsoles with Shoe Goo once every few weeks, even for brand new shoes. This preserves the outsole and allows me to keep running in them for a long time.

Also agree with the pavement vs dirt thing. Yes, it’s true we weren’t meant to run in big cushioned shoes but then again, we weren’t meant to run on pavement either. I am forced to run on pavement almost exclusively. Once every couple of weeks, I still put on the big ole heavy cushioned Pegasus and treat my feet to some technology.

Anyone have any reviews between the lunar trainers and the newtons, I think Im going to try both of them and see which one suits me. I notice i do pound my heel pretty bad when running this evening and was thinking the cushion in the trainer would be the way to go, but Im just a sucker for the newtons and think Im going to have to try them just to ease my curiosity? Any opinions on the two??? thanks