How many riders will follow the example of Brad Wiggins and start to publish their blood profiles?
Is it the ultimate way of proving that someone is clean? What sort of excuses will we see for not doing so I wonder?
How many riders will follow the example of Brad Wiggins and start to publish their blood profiles?
Is it the ultimate way of proving that someone is clean? What sort of excuses will we see for not doing so I wonder?
Lance has been posting his profiles all year
Hadn’t realised that!
Has there been any dispute about how effective these values are in determining who’s cheating?
Hadn’t realised that!
Has there been any dispute about how effective these values are in determining who’s cheating?
Yes there is some dispute, but it is a start. Kohl is saying that he found a way to work the system. But then again he seems like a man on a mission to bring down the sport of cycling. It seems like he is of the mindset if I did it everyone else is doing it too…
The problem is and has always been that the cheats are usually one step ahead of the testers. It seems like this is getting better now that the drug companies are helping create the tests. Unfortunately the tests aren’t infallible. Kohl got all the way through the Tour without popping for CERA. While Ricco only popped twice despite being tested way more times.
The blood tests establish a baseline, but if the baseline is already skewed it presents a window to cheat IMO. The newer younger riders will probably be cleaner as the years go on simply because they will not have the years of drug use behind them. But then again we could talk about drug use on the amateur level but that’s a whole other conversation.
One cross country Pro MTB has been doing it for years, I think Christoph Sauser?
How many riders will follow the example of Brad Wiggins and start to publish their blood profiles?
Is it the ultimate way of proving that someone is clean? What sort of excuses will we see for not doing so I wonder?
Lance has been posting his profiles all year
http://www.livestrong.com/...ng/blog/tag/testing/
Thats Lance nobody believes him although people still believe Floyd is innocent and Condator is… well whatever he is.
I’d like to see Lance’s blood results from the 99 tour.
What are we looking for in these numbers? I am only vaguely familiar with the “crit” number and the cutoff value that was initially used as a screening number and Lance’s values are pedestrian by comparison with 50, much less Riis’ or Pantani’s reputed values in the 60’s.
swimfan
i believe they are all dirty
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we HAVE seen them
they have EPO in them
what now?
I’d like to see Lance’s blood results from the 99 tour.
we all have epo in us, its an endogenous hormone, right.
It’s interesting that his testosterone was not tested leading up to the tour (Armstrongs). These numbers mean nothing. Just part of the charrade to make people who have no idea what they are looking at think that the sport has turned around.
There are several issues here:
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There is no way to develop a blood profile. There is no way to screen people for whom you need a bio profile. By the time they’re big enough fish that you need to be testing them once a week, they’re already well past the point of either doping or not.
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What does a bio profile give you? Baseline numbers by which to compare athlete’s future tests. So, if Wiggins goes from having a hemocrit of 46 to having a 49 overnight, it’d probably be a marker that he’s doping. But then we need YET ANOTHER set of regulations to decide how fast is too fast. For example, if you were to look at Lance’s data from a year ago (when he decided to start racing again) to now (after two grand tours! talk about racing oneself into shape), he would have some RIDICULOUS growth levels that would certainly flag any guideline that the UCI came up with, because they would be angled to people who’ve been racing consistiently for a decade, not old fat men coming back from three years’ off.
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If you’re gonna do it, we need some standardization. As someone said, no testosterone levels for L.A. If I were in his position and doping, I’d be getting myself perscriptions of some EPO-booster and good ol’ fashioned testosterone.
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I would love to see cycling clean. I would feel personally betrayed if any of my friends tested positive.
How many riders will follow the example of Brad Wiggins and start to publish their blood profiles?
Is it the ultimate way of proving that someone is clean? What sort of excuses will we see for not doing so I wonder?
Lance has been posting his profiles all year
http://www.livestrong.com/...ng/blog/tag/testing/
He’s been altering the numbers though. Orange are originals, green are changed:
Xav
ps. yes, I’ve cross-posted this on quite a few boards now, sorry about that
It’s interesting that his testosterone was not tested leading up to the tour (Armstrongs). These numbers mean nothing. Just part of the charrade to make people who have no idea what they are looking at think that the sport has turned around.
Guy,
T/E Ratio = testosterone/epitestosterone ratio.
JR
Curious, where did you get that comparison chart from?
Otherwise I concur with the assessment that simply publishing these (marginally useful) data from a blood profile do not prove anything except that the athlete is within certain parameters established by the agencies.
Blood profiles are a start, but they are by no means proof or confirmation that the athlete is clean.
One last thought: How would you be able to verify the information presented to you?
Curious, where did you get that comparison chart from?
Otherwise I concur with the assessment that simply publishing these (marginally useful) data from a blood profile do not prove anything except that the athlete is within certain parameters established by the agencies.
Blood profiles are a start, but they are by no means proof or confirmation that the athlete is clean.
One last thought: How would you be able to verify the information presented to you?
It’s mine, I actually missed the 18/12 reticulocyte value first time around which is why it’s not highlighted in green
Xav
It’s interesting that his testosterone was not tested leading up to the tour (Armstrongs). These numbers mean nothing. Just part of the charrade to make people who have no idea what they are looking at think that the sport has turned around.
Guy,
T/E Ratio = testosterone/epitestosterone ratio.
JR
I know this is an overly simplistic idea, but can anyone explain this?
If a doper on testosterone gets popped because he has a high T/E ratio, why doesn’t he just take epi-t as well?