Do we have any recent open marathon times for any of the top professionals?
I wonder what they could do in a marathon completely fresh and focused on only the one event
Do we have any recent open marathon times for any of the top professionals?
I wonder what they could do in a marathon completely fresh and focused on only the one event
Well they are triathletes so I ASSume when you mention focused on only the one event you mean for that day—surely a pro triathlete isn’t going to stop swimming/biking to just run a marathon…
Do we have any recent open marathon times for any of the top professionals?
I wonder what they could do in a marathon completely fresh and focused on only the one event
Well they are triathletes so I ASSume when you mention focused on only the one event you mean for that day—surely a pro triathlete isn’t going to stop swimming/biking to just run a marathon…
I know, but if a guy can run a 2:40 marathon in an Iron distance race, I would think he might be able to come in around 2:10 or so in an open marathon. In most marathons, that is easily good enough for the win and a high prize purse.
I know, but** if a guy can run a 2:40 marathon in an Iron distance race, I would think he might be able to come in around 2:10 or so in an open marathon.** In most marathons, that is easily good enough for the win and a high prize purse.
Then you would be sorely mistaken.
Do we have any recent open marathon times for any of the top professionals?
I wonder what they could do in a marathon completely fresh and focused on only the one event
Well they are triathletes so I ASSume when you mention focused on only the one event you mean for that day—surely a pro triathlete isn’t going to stop swimming/biking to just run a marathon…
Several pros have run open marathons, do a search. That said there isn’t a pro that can run anywhere near a 2:10, if they could, they would be running for a living.
Do we have any recent open marathon times for any of the top professionals?
I wonder what they could do in a marathon completely fresh and focused on only the one event
Well they are triathletes so I ASSume when you mention focused on only the one event you mean for that day—surely a pro triathlete isn’t going to stop swimming/biking to just run a marathon…
Several pros have run open marathons, do a search. That said there isn’t a pro that can run anywhere near a 2:10, if they could, they would be running for a living.
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Agree with Saltman. The pro triathletes who are throwing down 2:40s MIGHT be able throw down a 2:20, but likely closer to 2:30. As said, they’d be pro runners if they were sub 2:20. The pro triathletes also likely have much more resistance to fatigue running off the bike and probably run remakably close to their open marathon times, as compared to an amateur, who will lose a lot more time due to postbike burned out legs.
Agree with Saltman. The pro triathletes who are throwing down 2:40s MIGHT be able throw down a 2:20, but likely closer to 2:30. As said, they’d be pro runners if they were sub 2:20. The pro triathletes also likely have much more resistance to fatigue running off the bike and probably run remakably close to their open marathon times, as compared to an amateur, who will lose a lot more time due to postbike burned out legs.
I understand they have more resistance, but you really can’t discount the amount of mental / physical energy they have burned in the previous 5 hours before the marathon portion.
Alistair Brownlee can run down in the 29min 10K range in ITU race after 1.5km open water swim and 40km bike. McMillan running calculator says that would put him down around 2:16. I am presuming he could do a little better without the swim/bike first, hence if focused on open marathon could get down close to the 2:10. Andreas Raelert and a number of similar running talent would be down there if they focused on a straight up marathon. I would still say, however, many would think that they could probably get there, but a lot fewer could - much must go right to achieve it. Likely many could go sub 2:20 if they focused, only a few sub 2:10 - but I am sure some could. When I say focused, I mean if they took the year or two of primarily run training (no way 2:10 off of just IM training).
Of course we are aware that pro triathletes run open marathons BUT I still maintain that’s not their focus—as in a single event/purpose to their training…AND yes part of the reason they don’t only run is because they are not 2:10 folks!!
Agree with Saltman. The pro triathletes who are throwing down 2:40s MIGHT be able throw down a 2:20, but likely closer to 2:30. As said, they’d be pro runners if they were sub 2:20. The pro triathletes also likely have much more resistance to fatigue running off the bike and probably run remakably close to their open marathon times, as compared to an amateur, who will lose a lot more time due to postbike burned out legs.
I understand they have more resistance, but you really can’t discount the amount of mental / physical energy they have burned in the previous 5 hours before the marathon portion.
2:10 is 23% faster than 2:40. That is a huge difference. Many pro IM triathletes can’t run 2:10 pace for an open 10k (~30:40), let alone a marathon.
Brownless can run 29:10 because he’s a good 10 runner. No telling if he would be a good marathon runner. But 2:16, which he may be able to do, and even thats a stretch and 2:10 are worlds away. Ones close to the womens WR, the other is contending for mens olympic teams for almost any country.
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Alistair Brownlee can run down in the 29min 10K range in ITU race after 1.5km open water swim and 40km bike. McMillan running calculator says that would put him down around 2:16. I am presuming he could do a little better without the swim/bike first, hence if focused on open marathon could get down close to the 2:10. Andreas Raelert and a number of similar running talent would be down there if they focused on a straight up marathon. I would still say, however, many would think that they could probably get there, but a lot fewer could - much must go right to achieve it. Likely many could go sub 2:20 if they focused, only a few sub 2:10 - but I am sure some could. When I say focused, I mean if they took the year or two of primarily run training (no way 2:10 off of just IM training).
Sorry, but I will have to respectfully disagree. First, I could only find Alistair’s results in 29 mid-high range. There is a huge, huge gap between that and the 27’s you’ll have to run at an elite 10k level. You may think that it’s a pretty small drop, but it’s not. Let’s take a look at a decent U.S. pro runner (note: not world-class), Scotty Bauhs. http://www.mammothtrackclub.com/speaker/526-Scott-Bauhs. His 10K PR is 27:48, or what I’d imagine Alistair could wish for on his best day after years of dedicated run training. Scotty, unfortunately, hasn’t ran a marathon, but does have a half-marathon PR of 1:03:04. Flying right? That translates to a 2:13 open marathon, which puts him at somewhere around 10-15 in major marathons (e.g., London, Chicago). And then gap between 2:13 and 2:10 is crazy hard. This is all assuming he can successfully handle marathon training (see Ritzenhein, Dathan)
What others have said is true. There is far more money and prestige in open road racing. If they could do it, they would. I would guess that 2:15-ish is where the best of the best would end up. Stellar times, but decidedly “sub-world-class”. I don’t know the U.K. running scene, but those times would not put you in contention to be on the U.S. Olympic team, much less medal.
Justus run 2.18 in Frankfurt marathon last year (or 2 years ago)
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Bustos ran 2:16 Marathon before getting hit by a car
Staedler ran a 2:36 in 2007 his Hawaii time was 2:53 the year before
I think they may be able to manage 30-40 secs faster per km max they are already running close to their limit at IM the amazing thing is they can do it after a swim and bike
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Tyler Stewart ran 2:45 today, she usually runs 3:15+/- in IM. Granted, she’s in kona prep mode, but she’s obviously sharp as she won Lake Stevens 2 weeks ago. If she could ever learn to swim…
Alistair Brownlee can run down in the 29min 10K range in ITU race…
Taking nothing away from Brownlee, who is a phenomenal talent, do you have any evidence of the accuracy of those courses? It’s tough to quote times for a “10k” with a lot of meaning (and extrapolate what an athlete could do at another distance) unless that time comes from a track race or a certified road course. If a 10k course is off even .05 miles that’s a 15 second difference at 5:00/mile pace.
I’ve followed this sport for 25+ years. The only triathlete I remember being competitive or running a truly world class time in a marathon was Benjamin Parades, a Mexican who was more a duathlete on the multisport side of things. He finished 2nd at the NYC marathon one year and ran in the 2:10-2:11 range.
Likely many could go sub 2:20 if they focused, only a few sub 2:10 - but I am sure some could. When I say focused, I mean if they took the year or two of primarily run training
That is a bet I’d take any day of the week (the sub 2:10). Given that only a handful of the US’s top marathoners have run sub 2:10 in the past decade, and only 65 US men have run 2:19:00 or faster in this OT qualify cycle, to think that “many” triathletes could get into the 2:10-2:15 range with a year or two of run training is long odds. (I know I’m referring to US marathoners in a response that should be more global, but I don’t have good stats for international marathoners readily available.)
All that said, I’d love to see some of the better runners in this sport spend a couple years doing focused run training and see what they could throw down in the classic marathons.
I know, but if a guy can run a 2:40 marathon in an Iron distance race, I would think he might be able to come in around 2:10 or so in an open marathon. In most marathons, that is easily good enough for the win and a high prize purse.
what kind of a running background do you have to make such a cavalier and ridiculous statement about 2:10 marathons? in the history of the marathon, a grand total of 15 americans have broken 2:10 in the marathon:
http://www.squidoo.com/best-american-marathoners-ever#module10099731
meb and bill rogers barely broke 2:10 after spending entire careers training for marathons and you think that some random triathlete can just train a few months and run that fast???
I know, but if a guy can run a 2:40 marathon in an Iron distance race, I would think he might be able to come in around 2:10 or so in an open marathon. In most marathons, that is easily good enough for the win and a high prize purse.
what kind of a running background do you have to make such a cavalier and ridiculous statement about 2:10 marathons? in the history of the marathon, a grand total of 15 americans have broken 2:10 in the marathon:
http://www.squidoo.com/…-ever#module10099731
meb and bill rogers barely broke 2:10 after spending entire careers training for marathons and you think that some random triathlete can just train a few months and run that fast???
calm down maghole. keep your pants on.
Tyler Stewart ran 2:45 today, she usually runs 3:15+/- in IM. Granted, she’s in kona prep mode, but she’s obviously sharp as she won Lake Stevens 2 weeks ago. If she could ever learn to swim…
…and to ride on her own.