I have to say IAM getting a bit worried about Kyle its now 9 weeks since ironman New Zealand and he still can’t sleep well because he DNS ed the race .
Recover soon please .
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Maybe he needs to read a recent Slowtwitch article.
ETA: I realise that doesn’t ‘read’ well.
I had in mind @rrheisler 's
and for @timbasile (I think your suggestions are on the money):
Here’s the 'Records’ page and the “note on methodology”:
"These are not official world records. Triathlon courses vary in distance, elevation, and conditions, making direct comparisons imperfect. What follows is the closest thing the sport has to a definitive record book.
“Times below minimum thresholds (shortened courses, swim cancellations) are automatically excluded. Races with known course issues may be flagged by our editorial team. Swim-canceled races are excluded from overall records. All times reflect professional/elite competition only.”
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Oh exactly - almost none of the IM courses are exactly measured. They’re all sort of in this space where eyeball accuracy is good enough.
But if you’re going to post and maintain a data set of records on your website, I believe that there should at least be some sort of standard applied. Mark was sort of hand-wavey on the last podcast when he said “ok, but there’s some extra elevation so we can keep it.” I think that they should state what that tolerance is, and if if they decide to, how much extra elevation counts as a buffer.
Is an 88k ride ok? what about an 87K ride with 1000m elevation?
I don’t really have a specific view on where they need to draw the line (beyond that it should just be distance based), just that it should be drawn somewhere.
Another episode I won’t finish. They just kept goink on and on about it. If there is nothing interesting to talk about just don’t record.
Also, the joke of getting cancelled because of not being able to pronounce women/woman correct has been repeated so many times it is beyond stale.
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While it’s not the same since marathons at least have to be a certified distance, it’s still useless to compare one marathon to another. To prioritize the distance holding constant but allow weather, elevation, time of year, time of start, humidity, shoes on the market etc etc should reveal how subjective the times are.
But if it’s an Ironman we can say this was the fastest Ironman. Etc. We obviously understand that just because someone somewhere at some time went sub2hrs doesn’t mean you could see that performance anywhere.
So the records are for talking about to give a range of the fastest possible time. Fair enough.
I’m actually curious to see the slowest leading swim, slowest leading bike, and slowest leading run as well! Also would be fascinating to see the slowest someone has ran and won overall, slowest someone biked and won overall etc at each race!
There’s already a standard set by WT with 10% tolerance allowances, I think is the rule. Just stick to that, but again it then just makes it goofy to talk about records…..The swim record is the distance, yet downstream 5mph current, like come on. But it’s our own little goofiness, so we roll with it. I think it’s also why it’s sort pointless, other than get some sponsor bonus for said athlete. I think it’s less about the actual record, and more just talking about what the splits even mean, even if it’s just within a neighborhood of time allowances. Obviously some venues are just a joke within some of the legs and everyone accepts that.
I know that we often say “well Triathlon records don’t really matter” and in a sense, they don’t for all the measurement and conditions reasons we’ve all debated to death.
Pat had a good point in the last pod, that there’s an incentive here for brands to sponsor “fastest bike split of the year” or “bike record broken.” Now, I don’t think IM needs to put money on this or anything, but as an example, here’s the ad banner on slowtwitch - with QR advertising that the fastest male IM of all time was on their bike. At the very least, there’s something here that brands and athletes are keen to use.
lol I thought the same thing as I listened to the ad this week. You beat me to it. Someone check up on him asap!
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@Kyleglass91 did you get any sleep?
@Kyleglass91 I’m glad you guys got a pod out this week, but Pat’s breathing is making this painful to listen to. Periodic sound issues are one thing, but the first 30 minutes (all I’ve been able to get through) is just breathing while you try to listen to some content in the background.
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lol I just had to text Talbot (I didn’t think he was on this pod), whoever was mouth/nasal breathing was making it a tough listen.
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The new one is uploaded now
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Sweet, thank you guys. Keep up the good work.
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It was Kyle just trying to pick up the slack in Talbot’s absence.
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BEST IRONMAN DEBUT.
TIMES DON’T COUNT!!!
yes KB did coz down stream but the bike was 3 km longer?
What is the bike distance and run at Brazil, did you go measure the swim to make sure it’s not 3.56 km???
The best Ironman debut is GUSTAV in Florida he beat LIONEL a vet at his peak of his career that 6 months later was 2021 Ironman worlds runner up.
KB is second he won on debut but not a strong a field. up front.
Yuri finished SECOND !!! how could that compare to a win . TIMES MEAN NOTHING !!! wins count, that is all, have a good day.
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2021 IRONMAN Florida
Gustav Iden00:58:08|04:05:10|02:34:51|07:42:57
2|Lionel Sanders00:58:18|04:04:29|02:40:43|07:48:49
2:34 run on debut vs a top kona contender.
third place was 8:08 Robert Kallin
Ironman Cozumel
|Kristian Blummenfelt 00:39:40|04:02:40|02:35:24|07:21:11
2|Ruedi Wild 00:39:58|04:10:46|02:41:49|07:36:34|
3 rd was7:41
both are wins too but Gustav had the best debut but KB didn’t have much reason to win by more time and had a bathroom stop or two that day on the run.
Yuri might be third only because humans and podcaster have very short memories and limited knowledge. I am pretty sure I would Call Ali in cork better ( swim canceled) , max Neumann won cairns on debut in 2020.
Simon Lessing made his full-distance Ironman debut at the <2004 Ironman Lake Placid where he won the race and set a staggering course record of (8:23:12). He completed the course with a (47:08) swim, a (4:44:23) bike, and a blistering (2:46:39) run.
It seem most can’t think past last week.
Sam Laidlow’s first full-distance Ironman event was the Ironman UK in 2021 where he finished in an impressive second place.
BUT HE DIDN’T WIN
PTN guys for the most part are pretty fair and balanced within the hieracy/history/going ons of the sport. Sure they may all each come with a specific bias, and maybe they don’t know every history lesson of our sport. But also who does know all of the history and are here to educate us all? Very few monty’s or slowman’s left in the sport. Even your only dating back 20 years of races/athletes, you mean there is not a single person who raced in the 8x’s or 9x’s who had an spectatcular debut IM?
Patrick Lange Ironman Texas won on debut and beat a lot of heavy hitters.
A lot of guys won on debut especially in the 80’s and early 90’s
what I’m most fascinating by the “old days”. Watching some older race recaps, there was literally no rules it seems. You just got on your bike right at the rack. And probaly the one footnote that always shocks me- the Kona run included T2. I don’t know when that was corrected, but I’m also sorta blown away because I think many times they seemed to not “race” in T2 (they would change clothes). So accounting for all that, it’s like far fucking out, they were moving. It took 2 decades to break the run course record, which of course was faster because it included T2 time, so like just fucking impressive.
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