Pro Athletes petition against ITU-update!

If ITU treated their LD-events with equal attention, and gave it as much publicity, prizemoney and focus, as their World Cup-races you would a huge amount of pro´s racing these events instead of IM´s. Titles doesn´t mean anything if they´re not accompanied by prizemoney and ITU is really trying their “best” to kill its own LD-events by offering very low prizemoney…

In Europe anyway, a World or European title is very prestigous since it´s understood all across sports. A lot of normal people never heard of Ironman or even triathlon but everyone understands the concept of World Championships.
And ITU has the only official World Champs, that´s why it´s very important to have them run the right distances instead of some bogus half-assed long-distance.
And for what´s its worth, I want the ITU to be a strong organisation and to keep running these events. Otherwise we might just be like boxing and have whatever random event or organisation to have “World Champs” left and right. I just wish the ITU to ask the athletes before deciding…

And it doesn´t have to be about Hawaii or not. Obviously HIM has it´s followers and as the crownjewel of the sport it will always be legendary BUT it´s really a saunafest held on the same place every year, whereas a true World Champs is run on different courses/venues every year and is also organized by the highest officiating organ of the sport, being ITU in this case.

Like I´ve written before; the ITU is making a very dubious choice by basically only focusing on a very small aspect of the sport of triathlon, namely the World Cup drafting races. Doesn´t that seem odd to do by such an organisation?

I would argue that they are not yet getting the quality of field to warrant large prize money. In my opinion, the Olympics have really helped the sponsor and prize money situation. Prize money and sponsorship is a function of spectators. Look at all major sports - the bigger the fan base, the more the players make (from Baseball to football, down to hockey, then North American soccer, etc…). I would suggest it’s just as much the athlete’s responsibility to help sell their sport as it is the ITUs. If you want more prize money, make it a better show or get more visible. I love to watch short course racing but long course I’d never watch, only participate. My participation, however, doesn’t make it marketable to sponsors. Look at the attention that the post-Hawaii drama created. Not saying that’s the best way to sell the sport but it sure is a start. In my opinion, the long course racers need to start generating their own publicity, however best you think that is done.

As for your last comment, I don’t think that is odd at all. I haven’t followed other olympic sports as closely, but take swimming for example. Open Water swimming was always around but certainly not a big part of FINA’s agenda until it got into the Olympics. I’m sure similar arguments can be made for other federations (I’d bet that IAAF throws a lot more money into their Outdoor World Champs and Gran Prix Series then to Cross-Country or Indoor Track).

Anyways, we agree on many levels and it’s good that you are making a visible effort to improve the sport. You just need to get more athletes with the same agenda to make it happen.

Dan

Doug,

I don’t think there’s enough difference in the races to effectively attract a third pool of athletes, especially at a pro level. I think we have two pools of athletes to work with: long and short. In my opinion, the O2 distance has a much better chance of getting athletes from both pools then O3. Realisitically, this is the best that could happen - ITU will never steal the long course pool away from Kona nor will O2/70.3 even attract the best away from the Olympics. The ITU has to find the right combination that gives it the best shot of working with both pools. The 70.3 is still young enough and based primarily in the U.S. such that global competition is still a possibility. The WTC Ironman has too much of a solid history that it would be worth a risk in competing against it. Also, in terms of attracting athletes, I would think that if the rewards are comparable that O2 would be the preferred choice over 70.3 simply due to the distances (namely the longer swim - all top ITU Oly racers are by necessity strong swimmers, relative to all triathletes). Just my thoughts …

Dan

My main beef is not the addition of O2 races or even an O2 world championship, but the removal of the traditional “Long Course” format

Agreed. I really hope they keep the O3 or maybe cut the O3 but replace it by an O4 format (seems unlikely based on the minutes of the BOD).

And I am curious to hear what Slowman has to say about Nice…

Cheers,
Alex

Doug,

I don’t think there’s enough difference in the races to effectively attract a third pool of athletes, especially at a pro level. I think we have two pools of athletes to work with: long and short. In my opinion, the O2 distance has a much better chance of getting athletes from both pools then O3. Realisitically, this is the best that could happen - ITU will never steal the long course pool away from Kona nor will O2/70.3 even attract the best away from the Olympics. The ITU has to find the right combination that gives it the best shot of working with both pools. The 70.3 is still young enough and based primarily in the U.S. such that global competition is still a possibility. The WTC Ironman has too much of a solid history that it would be worth a risk in competing against it. Also, in terms of attracting athletes, I would think that if the rewards are comparable that O2 would be the preferred choice over 70.3 simply due to the distances (namely the longer swim - all top ITU Oly racers are by necessity strong swimmers, relative to all triathletes). Just my thoughts …

Dan

I think you are right about there being two types of racers, long and short. But this double olympic distance is not going to be a place where the two types can do battle on some sort of equal footing. Just look at the 70.3 races now. Short course guys mostly dominate the IM guys at this distance, and the double olympic is even shorter than a 70.3! Again, it seems like a distance designed by the ITU for it’s short-course stars.

As an aside, how can they call something “long distance” when it takes well under four hours to complete?

-C

That´s exactly problem with this change. It´s just really watered down…
The 4-120-30 is long enough to require specific preps from shortcoursers and still much faster than an IM so IM-people need to speed up their game… In my opinion, a perfect mix of both worlds and hence a great championship-distance.

Short course guys mostly dominate the IM guys at this distance, and the double olympic is even shorter than a 70.3! Again, it seems like a distance designed by the ITU for it’s short-course stars.

As an aside, how can they call something “long distance” when it takes well under four hours to complete?

-C

“What do you mean Dan?”

this is going to be a very popular distance, as you all will find out over the winter (you’ll start finding this out within 2 weeks).

hey, i need a list of signatories to the petition. please private email me.

I would much rather do a 02 race, than a 70.3. Would rather see use really do a Tri event, and not one that just has a little swimming warm up. The better the balance between the 3 events, the more it is not really just a Du race.

Dave

I think you are right about there being two types of racers, long and short. But this double olympic distance is not going to be a place where the two types can do battle on some sort of equal footing. Just look at the 70.3 races now. Short course guys mostly dominate the IM guys at this distance, and the double olympic is even shorter than a 70.3! Again, it seems like a distance designed by the ITU for it’s short-course stars.

As an aside, how can they call something “long distance” when it takes well under four hours to complete?

-C

I don’t think the short course guys are as dominant at 70.3 as you suggest. It seems to be pretty even ground. Depends how you look at it. If you’re factoring in short course guys who are converting to long course guys then yes, they do quite well over 70.3, but what about “exclusive” short course guys? Just going by results for Clearwater, there seems to be a nice mix of long and short guys/girls there at the top of each list.

Also, very hard to compare - consider this: What if today’s crop of short course athletes are simply better athletes then the current long course group? Then, regardless the distance, with training, the short course athlete wins. So even if, as you suggest, the short course athletes dominate 70.3, it could very well have to do with the quality of the athlete and not the distance of the race. (Note: this is just one plausible case - I really have no basis for opinion on whether one group of athletes is indeed “better”).

As for length of race, the O2 race should take about the same amount of time as 70.3, maybe 4-5 minutes less (swim adds 14:40 @ 1:20/100m; bike drops 15:00 at 40km/h and run drops ~4:00 @ 3:50/km). And as per your aside, I personally consider a 4 hour race to be long-distance!!

Good debate!

Dan

jonas,

This is more thinking out loud, however, any idea how many pros will actually boycott the races themselves in addition to signing the petition. It is one thing to put your name down as a protestor, quite another to actually not show up and race the races the ITU are putting on. That is where the power will come from…if folks stay away.
Mark

I haven´t seen it!!

What a load of B-S!!!

First of all; what´s with the “make sure our triathlons aren´t too long and hard…”? Dangers with racing longdistances?? That´s such a f-n hypocricy and really ironic if you ask me if you then compare to what I feel is a REAL healththreat; their massive World Cup schedule and Oly qualification that sometimes forces athletes to race four-five consecutive weekends on as many continents…

And what about Les McDonald? Talk about being removed from reality?

I´m happy to see Rob Barel sticking up for the idea of a “true” LD event

I’ve actually heard, Dr John Hellemans, one of the legends of our sport and also a sports medicine practitioner, state that perhaps Ironman is just TOO much, and that we might not see the effects of racing this distance( at the level the pros do) for a few years yet.

and as another poster said…how about the reality that short course guys are simply better athletes? they’re most definitely more balanced triathletes (imo)

That´s a good point.

We´ll see what happens there…

Everything overdone is bad. Back-to-back IM´s may very well be bad. Than again, people race weeks on end at adventureraces and other ultras.
I think there´s much more this healthissue than just what kind of distances you´re racing…What´s supposedly more healthy in racing 2 hours with a 180 HR than 8-9 hours with a 150 HR?

And would you say that the winner of the 400 m rack of the Olympics is a better or superior athlete than the winner of the marathon?
Or that Alexander Popov is a superior athlete over Grant Hackett just because he swims shorter distances?

I’ve actually heard, Dr John Hellemans, one of the legends of our sport and also a sports medicine practitioner, state that perhaps Ironman is just TOO much, and that we might not see the effects of racing this distance( at the level the pros do) for a few years yet.

and as another poster said…how about the reality that short course guys are simply better athletes? they’re most definitely more balanced triathletes (imo)

I hope they do stay away but money does talk. If the money is there, the pros will likely be as well. But I hope you and Olaf are able to make some changes for the better.
Mark

Wow Dave you must be enjoying your masters swim program heh? I agree with you on this. The swim is way too short in both 70.3 and IM. I think this distance might be kinda fun. Not saying I disagree with Jonas but just from an AG perspective it would be nice to see some other distance format races.

I would much rather do a 02 race, than a 70.3. Would rather see use really do a Tri event, and not one that just has a little swimming warm up. The better the balance between the 3 events, the more it is not really just a Du race.

Dave

Mike, not that I enjoy swimming that much, but we are supposed to be doing a tri race, which I thought was three events. And, it would seem we would all need to work on improving all THREE events, since in theory, each one should be as important as the other. If one really just wants to practice and be good at running and biking, then thats what a Du is for. And then when we all get to wear wet suits which makes us all much closer to equal. :o) I just like to work on getting better in all the sports. And swimming masters does make me feel better, whether of not it helps with races.

Dave

Running the O3 distance was fun. Its a great distance. And the pros at the Grand Columbian had a great time and were very supportive. However, there does not appear to be a sustainable age-group market in the US for the distance. At least until WTC promotes the 154K series. Then everyone will flock to it as though triathlon has been reinvented. I also believe changing to O2 would kill my half-Iron race.

Yes, I heard that it was a great race! I wish I could have come and not been injured at the time…

Running the O3 distance was fun. Its a great distance. And the pros at the Grand Columbian had a great time and were very supportive. However, there does not appear to be a sustainable age-group market in the US for the distance. At least until WTC promotes the 154K series. Then everyone will flock to it as though triathlon has been reinvented. I also believe changing to O2 would kill my half-Iron race.

Stop teasing Dan! Spill the beans!

“Stop teasing Dan! Spill the beans!”

there should be no fewer than two major announcements over the winter. the first is a week away. that’s all i can tell you, except that jonas’ group has better days in front of it than they have had, and the landscape for their distance and style of racing is going to be much broader and fairer than it has ever been in our sport.