Power Newby needs feedback on testing-may be technical

Conconi tests work pretty well, except when they don’t. There’s a fraction of people for whom there is no deflection point. There’s no way to know until you try though. And IIRC, it is trainable, so people who didn’t show a deflection point earlier might show one next time they try it. I don’t really know why this might be.

As for the test itself, the only thing that looks a little off is the one minute step length. That’s pretty close to the time required for your heart rate to stabilize after a step change in power.

If your bud has a long history if using this test, he probably knows the ways in which the info it gives is a little off and can help you adjust if necessary.

I would consider something simpler and more repeatable in your typical riding environment. There is a clear pattern that many people can’t produce the power indoors as outside. Unless you do a lot of your training inside, I would develop training zones off your typical riding environment. I am a fan of the critical power approach to power testing.

You do not need the WKO+ software to do what your friend wants to do.

I don’t understand why he’s using HR to judge FTP when you have a powermeter.

He is also misusing the term critical power.
http://www.velo-fit.com/...s/critical-power.pdf

no way Chris…Joe owns the Critical Power term dude…who is this Monod?:slight_smile:

BTW, I have many “conconi tests” with no HR deflection…straight linear relationship with power till failure…

Kurt

I am assuming that they use the hr to get the deflection points but then the workouts are all prescribed in power.

It does seem like an extra step to get an estimate of ftp.

But if you feel the need, then the first hr deflection point gives you the “aerobic threshold” which some find important in establishing workout powers. I prefer to go with a fraction of ftp for all of them, but some folks believe strongly in aerobic threshold for workout prescription.

Does Friel own “critical power” or does he just own “CPxx” ? :slight_smile:

true, true.

The Monod can continue to own Critical Power

Ive done this procedure a bunch. I almost never get a clear inflection point.

One question on his thing that doesnt make sense:
in section 1, he defines “critical power” as the “the highest power you can maintain for 1 minute”
then in section 2 he says “most ppl cant maintain critical power for more than 30 seconds”

just fyi- most ppl dont do a lot of work with critical power- what most people use instead is coggan’s “functional threshhold power”, which is the max avg power you can keep up for a 1 hour all out workout (or easier to test, 95% of the power you can hold for a 20 minute all out workout)

That’s exactly what I was thinking.

jaretj

Thanks for all your input. I appreciate you all looking through this and commenting. Now I have to figure out what all of it means haha!

Now I have to figure out what all of it means

Isn’t that why you have a coach?

It strikes me as odd that you have a coach, but are taking your testing protocol from a buddy and asking for advice on that protocol from ST. What is your coache’s role in all this?

Thom

He obviously knows what he’s talking about
He might, but that isn’t evident to me from the text of the email that you posted.

What part of the text is making it difficult to see if he knows what he’s talking about, Andrew?

What part of the text is making it difficult to see if he knows what he’s talking about, Andrew?

There are two things that suggest to me that your friend’s knowledge is a bit limited, at least with respect to exercise testing:

  1. the use of incorrect/imprecise terminology (e.g., referring to the highest power achieved during an incremental exercise test as “critical power”), and

  2. the use of the long-discredited Conconi approach of attempting to identify deflection points in the heart rate-exercise intensity relationship as a means of determining various “thresholds”.

Greetings

I am going to do some power testing with a cycling buddy this weekend. He sent me the following email when asked to describe the tests (see below). He obviously knows what he’s talking about

obviously