Post run icing - every run, both knees?

Spoke to a training friend of mine who is a real runner (as opposed to a fake one like me). He commented in his XC days in HS and college track that every coach made it mandatory to sit in a post run ice bath.

He suggested to ice the problem areas which I do, but also ice both knees, whether you have problems or not, whether you run 3 miles or 13. Thinking is it will help problems from compounding and prevent swelling/inflamation before it ever starts.

Any of you do this or had coaches that had similar views on this? Makes sense, a bit of a hassle after EACH run, but very willing if it prevents something down the road.

I did this training for my upcoming ultra, worked awesome for recovery, I will be having an ice bath later today after my 20 miler.

Nolan Ryan had said that one of the keys to his logevity was ice after pitching. Billy Jean King commented that she could have played competetively another five years if she would have discovered ice sooner. I ice my AT’s after running. I think that would be great therapy if you took the time to do that every time.

I do this after my long runs. Helps control the inflammation in my knee joints and makes my legs feel “springy” the next day.

We have a whirlpool which I fill with cold water, then add whatever ice is in the freezer. For added intensity, I run the jets. It’s quite a rush for the first few minutes, then the shock wears off and I can relax and chill out (pun intended). Wearing running shorts when I dunk seems to take some of the edge off.

Seems fairly common and probably really does help… I remember reading in runners world that Meb gets in an ice cold river near his house after each run. I don’t personally ice now though unless I’m having problems of some sort.

his was a question asked on the Dear Coach section at Mulisports.com, I hope Paul does not mind a cut and copied it.

Triathlete - Dear Coach Highlights Hot Tubs and Whirlpools

Dear triathlon training gods,
My new health club has really nice facilities including hot tub/whirlpools, dry saunas and steam rooms. I enjoy all of them. The whirlpools feel especially good after a workout. But I’ve heard that the hot tub is precisely the wrong thing for sore muscles, and that I should use ice and stay away from the whirlpool. So, is there a place in a well-designed triathlon program for any or all of these facilities?

-Fred Synk, Troy, Mi.

Dear Fred,

You’re absolutely correct. Hot tubs or whirlpools are not the best way to speed recovery after a long and hard training session (especially a run). After one of these sessions your body tends to be battling inflammation or swelling of joints and muscles and, while it’s tempting to immerse your sore and tired body into the club’s hot tub with a beer, that’s not the best way to enhance recovery.

A better option, though less inviting, would be to soak those legs in cold water. For example, after our local Tuesday run in San Diego, many of the triathletes drive down to the beach for a 10-to 15 minute leg soaking in the 58- to 65- degree water. It’s not the most comfortable thing to do, but the results (immediately after and especially the next day) are well worth it. Not only is there an immediate decreased level of soreness but, the next day, athletes find they’re better able to perform a given workout.

We don’t know any significant drawbacks to cold water therapy, although the initial shock and discomfort can be significant. So here are a few suggestions for how you can best use your new gym: Never fully submerge your head in the hot tub. Though the filtration and chlorination should prevent any problems, you never know what’s growing in that warm water.
If you absolutely can’t resist the soothing warm bubbles, try to wait 36 to 48 hours after a difficult training session before taking the soupy plunge.
If you’re training in the mornings, in particularly cold conditions, or are a bit stiff going into a workout, a short (less than 5 minutes) time in the hot tub, steam room or sauna can help warm you up, or loosen up muscles prior to stretching. That doesn’t mean you can use this as your workout-specific warm up and you may need additional hydration as a result.
If you’re going to get in the hot tub after a workout, regardless of what we tell you, try to at least cool of in the shower afterward. It may not have a deep impact on your muscles but it will help to close your pores and prevent you from extended post-hot tub sweating.

We don’t know anyone who wouldn’t rather get into a nice warm hot tub in any situation. There also aren’t many people we know who enjoy a nice icy dip after any kind of exertion except, perhaps, Canadians, eh? It’s like any workout; that hardest part is getting out the door - or, in this case, in the cold water. While a hot tub offers immediate gratification, the advantages of cold water therapy are much longer lasting.

Paul Huddle
huddle@multisports.com

A necessity after every run? Certainly not. If you have the time go ahead and do it, it certainly won’t hurt. I think you would be hard pressed to find any solid evidence that it will prevent injuries, but I have found that it helps with recovery after long or particularly hard sessions.

I spent a year with the Univ of Wisconsin Track & CC teams as an athletic trainer, they hit the ice baths after every long/hard run, but not after EVERY run.

If you have never done an ice bath before I strongly recommend you get a small hand towel, roll it up and place it between your teeth. Bite down hard as you climb into the water. This will help prevent scaring your neighbors with all the screaming and cursing. The first 5 minutes are horrendous, but once everything goes numb it’s bliss.

Brit humo(u)r…

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/specials/european_athletics/2178643.stm

I use an icepack on my knees after every run longer than about 10 miles, it seems to help a lot especially since I am still recovering somewhat from patellar tendonitis. I usually wait a few hours before hopping in my hottub, which dramatically loosens up my muscles. Maybe cold water would do the same but the hot water and the pounding jets does great things for sore hamstrings and calves.