Ok thanks! I have seen threads with BarryP’s name, but quite honestly passed them by b/c I had thrown in the towel on running:(
I’m heading to the lake, but will be googling B.McGee soon…thank you!
Remember, as Jordan said (who DOES have quite a pedigree), DD and Barry are for TRAINING, but do the form work FIRST!!! You will be very glad you are not jumping into reinforcing the same things that hurt you before many times over. Then you can move to Plyometrics, which will really give you a boost…patience…
No question…baby steps. I’m not even running yet so it’s easy for me to pull the reigns back…b/c there is no engine yet. Thanks much.
The engine doesn’t come first. The chassis comes first. That’s the purpose of “techique” work… It’s not really technique, in the same sense as swimming - where the “correct” (i.e. fastest) motion is rather unnatural, but it’s still biomechanics. It’s just biomechanics you either “forgot” how to work, f’ed up, or some combination of both.
If youi watch a six year old at a local AYSO soccer game, he runs correctly. You just MAY have forgotten how to do that, and that’s where some guidance can help.
“The engine doesn’t come first. The chassis comes first. That’s the purpose of “techique” work”
after someone is not overweight, its best to work on the engine. after running a lot, the technique naturally gets better. running technique isnt a limiting factor as it is in swimming. if you cant breathe right and hold the body position, you sink and you wont make it 25yrds. simply running more and faster encourages good technique.
simply running more and faster encourages good technique.
Plenty of runners run faster by over-striding to the frontal quadrant of the stride. That promotes injury and actually slows down waht could be a faster stride with more reach and propulsion to the rear.
I am sensing you are losing credibility in this thread. Just my $.02 worth.
“The engine doesn’t come first. The chassis comes first. That’s the purpose of “techique” work”
after someone is not overweight, its best to work on the engine. after running a lot, the technique naturally gets better. running technique isnt a limiting factor as it is in swimming. if you cant breathe right and hold the body position, you sink and you wont make it 25yrds. simply running more and faster encourages good technique.
But running more/faster is often not an option. If you are a high school XC runner looking to set a PB, forget POSE and the like. But if you are coming off the couch, are new to running, etc. drills/specific strengthening exercises/muscle activation/proprioception exercises, etc. all have value.
Running is the best way to get better at running, no doubt. For for many people, that’s a recipe for injury, re-injury, etc. For many folks, working on biomechanics, muscle recruitment, etc. all makes it easier to get to running more/faster more quickly and more successfully.
On the flip-side of the person who is “unable,” think of an athlete who - aerobically - is very able. I came from rowing. I had a lot of aerobic fitness. But all of my “skill” was for rowing. i had no skill for running. So I got ITBS. Big surprise. I was fit enough to run more/faster than my musculoskeletal system could tolerate. Doing drills/etc didn’t make me a better runner, per se. It allowed me to run enough to become a better runner.
simply running more and faster encourages good technique.
Plenty of runners run faster by over-striding to the frontal quadrant of the stride. That promotes injury and actually slows down waht could be a faster stride with more reach and propulsion to the rear.
worth.
While I never thought I had an over striding problem, it was recently brought to my attention how horrific I am at it…or rather good at it is;) Horrible over striding which probably in addition to other poor techniques led to my deterioration of meniscus:( Just running on a treadmill my buddy said ‘wtf are you trying to do kill yourself?’.
after running a lot, the technique naturally gets better.
Disagree. There are numerous examples of people who ran a lot, used poor form all the time, and broke their bodies to the point they can no longer run at all. Technique doesn’t magically improve just by applying more volume.
To the OP. I changed to Pose-like running for the same reasons. I had injuries and was looking for a way to run that would not negatively impact or create new problems. This type of running worked extremely well in that regard. I just completed my 9th marathon last weekend and have been consistently running 70+ miles/week for the past 6 months. None of which would have been possible if I hadn’t made a change in technique. BTW, my injuries were not running related, but running with poor form was making them worse.
The process of changing takes a fair amount of time and needs to be approached slowly. As you aren’t even running now, making this change and building as you go seems like a very good plan.
no its not, it’s one of the most basic form of human movement.
technique isnt what injures people most of the time, its the too much too soon using and stupid gimmicks (see above). cadence is the biggest red herring. out of all the runners ive dealt with, only 1 of them had cadence/ technique issues. the vast of majority of people run fine, slow but fine.
I would call cycling one of the most basic forms of human movement. Running, on the other hand, is pretty darn complex. Some are good at it, and some aren’t. It is definitely a skill sport. The only question is, how do you acquire the skill?
I think what Seasons meant is that running is fundamental - i.e., wired into our DNA. Cycling isn’t.
I would generally agree that more and faster miles will bring someone to their optimal form/stride/cadence, whatever you want to call it, over a longer time. Once you get over about 60 mi/week your body will adapt how it runs to maximize efficiency and minimize injury. This isn’t to say many people won’t get injured. They will. But it probably has more to do with trying to outrun their fitness level for extended periods, running in overly built up shoes, and not varying the running surface enough.
I think what Seasons meant is that running is fundamental - i.e., wired into our DNA. Cycling isn’t.
I would generally agree that more and faster miles will bring someone to their optimal form/stride/cadence, whatever you want to call it, over a longer time. Once you get over about 60 mi/week your body will adapt how it runs to maximize efficiency and minimize injury. This isn’t to say many people won’t get injured. They will. But it probably has more to do with trying to outrun their fitness level for extended periods, running in overly built up shoes, and not varying the running surface enough.
How do you know? Not how do you know, but how do you know?
It’s an opinion, like just about everything else posted in this inconsequential little forum.
I guess the consequence of the forum is irrelevant to the discussion. The previous statement you made provided a criterion measure of training load that leads to optimization of technique. I just wonder where you came up with that value and how you determine the optimization?
If youi watch a six year old at a local AYSO soccer game, he runs correctly. You just MAY have forgotten how to do that, and that’s where some guidance can help.
If youi watch a six year old at a local AYSO soccer game, he runs correctly. You just MAY have forgotten how to do that, and that’s where some guidance can help.
Myth.
True. I forgot that six year olds can now weigh as much as a small house…
I make a good living repairing runners and teaching them to run well. It is an incredibly basic skill that almost no one ever learned to do well. People still argue that it’s even a skill, which is the first hurdle to clear before attempting to improve running ability, outside of physiological training.
I’ve done the workshops from Romanov and Mierke (Evolution running), and studied Chi running, Explosive Running, and the BK method (which may be the best), and a host of others as well. Running Biomechanics is my obsession, and while I don’t agree completely with any of those marketed schools of thought, they have provided an invaluable impetus to educate runners that running is a skill, there are some principals that are important, and there are ways to work on improving them.