Pay for Performance Act of 2009

Once we allow the government a foot in the door to determine what is reasonable in terms of compensation, there is no stopping them. Do you think your job or business is exempt? This should be the domain of Board of Directors and shareholders. If they are acting improperly, then that is a job for of attorney generals. Loss of liberty seems to be a daily occurance. Why do we allow this?

How do you feel about this?

Beyond AIG: A Bill to let Big Government Set Your Salary
By Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent 3/31/09 http://media.washingtonexaminer.com/images/barney-frank-tim-geithner-ben-bernake.jpg
House Financial Services Committee Chairman Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., left, talks with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, right, and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, on Capitol Hill Tuesday, March 24,2009. Frank’s committee has passed a bill giving Geithner extensive control over salaries of employees working at companies receiving government bailout funds. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci) It was nearly two weeks ago that the House of Representatives, acting in a near-frenzy after the disclosure of bonuses paid to executives of AIG, passed a bill that would impose a 90 percent retroactive tax on those bonuses. Despite the overwhelming 328-93 vote, support for the measure began to collapse almost immediately. Within days, the Obama White House backed away from it, as did the Senate Democratic leadership. The bill stalled, and the populist storm that spawned it seemed to pass.
But now, in a little-noticed move, the House Financial Services Committee, led by chairman Barney Frank, has approved a measure that would, in some key ways, go beyond the most draconian features of the original AIG bill. The new legislation, the “Pay for Performance Act of 2009,” would impose government controls on the pay of all employees – not just top executives – of companies that have received a capital investment from the U.S. government. It would, like the tax measure, be retroactive, changing the terms of compensation agreements already in place. And it would give Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner extraordinary power to determine the pay of thousands of employees of American companies.


The purpose of the legislation is to “prohibit unreasonable and excessive compensation and compensation not based on performance standards,” according to the bill’s language. That includes regular pay, bonuses – everything – paid to employees of companies in whom the government has a capital stake, including those that have received funds through the Troubled Assets Relief Program, or TARP, as well as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
The measure is not limited just to those firms that received the largest sums of money, or just to the top 25 or 50 executives of those companies. It applies to all employees of all companies involved, for as long as the government is invested. And it would not only apply going forward, but also retroactively to existing contracts and pay arrangements of institutions that have already received funds.

In addition, the bill gives Geithner the authority to decide what pay is “unreasonable” or “excessive.” And it directs the Treasury Department to come up with a method to evaluate “the performance of the individual executive or employee to whom the payment relates.”

The bill passed the Financial Services Committee last week, 38 to 22, on a nearly party-line vote. (All Democrats voted for it, and all Republicans, with the exception of Reps. Ed Royce of California and Walter Jones of North Carolina, voted against it.)

The legislation is expected to come before the full House for a vote this week, and, just like the AIG bill, its scope and retroactivity trouble a number of Republicans. “It’s just a bad reaction to what has been going on with AIG,” Rep. Scott Garrett of New Jersey, a committee member, told me. Garrett is particularly concerned with the new powers that would be given to the Treasury Secretary, who just last week proposed giving the government extensive new regulatory authority. “This is a growing concern, that the powers of the Treasury in this area, along with what Geithner was looking for last week, are mind boggling,” Garrett said.

Rep. Alan Grayson, the Florida Democrat who wrote the bill, told me its basic message is “you should not get rich off public money, and you should not get rich off of abject failure.” Grayson expects the bill to pass the House, and as we talked, he framed the issue in a way to suggest that virtuous lawmakers will vote for it, while corrupt lawmakers will vote against it.

“This bill will show which Republicans are so much on the take from the financial services industry that they’re willing to actually bless compensation that has no bearing on performance and is excessive and unreasonable,” Grayson said. “We’ll find out who are the people who understand that the public’s money needs to be protected, and who are the people who simply want to suck up to their patrons on Wall Street.”

After the AIG bonus tax bill was passed, some members of the House privately expressed regret for having supported it and were quietly relieved when the White House and Senate leadership sent it to an unceremonious death. But populist rage did not die with it, and now the House is preparing to do it all again.
Byron York, The Examiner’s chief political correspondent, can be contacted at byork@washingtonexaminer.com. His column appears Tuesday and Friday, and his stories and blog posts can be read daily at ExaminerPolitics.com.

Details aside I have no principled objection to this as lons as it applies to recipients of government funding and is not applied retroactively. (e.g. if you’re on a contract for 5 years at something above the cap you get paid for 5 years then are subject to any limit).

Lots of companies work under stringent negative covenants applied by their Lenders and they often indirectly cover certain aspects of compensation. If the Government acts as a Lender has the negotiating power and provided the recipient company negotiates freely then it’s fine.

“If the Government acts as a Lender has the negotiating power and provided the recipient company negotiates freely then it’s fine.”

But did these companies negotiate freely? Some were told the had to take govt funding.

“I have no principled objection to this as lons as it applies to recipients of government funding and is not applied retroactively”

Except it appears this does allow retroactive changes to previously negotiated contracts.

OK, lets say your company earns government contracts. Do you think that future related bills could extend this line of thinking to what you charge or what profit level you can obtain? What is you work for a non-profit that gets government dollars? Ca they then determine appropriate compensation?

On your first point I just don’t know who was forced to take the money so can’t comment - unclear to me why that would happen though. On your second, I should read better - if that’s the case I do have some pretty strong reservations

I’m not happy we’re in this predicament but we’re here and we’ve got to deal with the problems in front of us. Having said that…

I reluctantly don’t have a problem with this Act as I understand it. AIG and many of the companies that took bailout money would no longer exist if taxpayer dollars hadn’t come to the rescue. If they were allowed to fail, all these employment contracts would be voided. None of this should have happened but it did and now there are certain inequities that need to be righted in order to make this work. The alternative for the employees is NOT “I get all my money”. The alternative is they are all unemployed with ZERO income so they should be thanking the US tax payers.

Yes on the first question and they probably should. If you are a sizable corporate borrower and borrow from a commercial bank you can expect them to include financial covenants which dictate the level of performance you’re expected to maintain and will often require you to repay the Lenders faster if you do better than expected.

I don’t know about non-profits who receive government funding - I suspect their eligibility for funding is often subject to prudent management anyway (but that is a guess)

" AIG and many of the companies that took bailout money would no longer exist if taxpayer dollars hadn’t come to the rescue."

Weren’t several of these companies forced to take govt bailout money rather than try to make it on their own? If that’s true, which was my impression, then it’s pretty generous to call it a rescue.

I don’t believe this is happening in the United States of America.

As to why we are allowing it? We’re “allowing” it because the average Obama voter honestly believes that those rich bastards make too damn much money as it is and it’s time someone knocks them down a peg. Obama is doing exactly what he promised he’d do. He’s finding ways to redistribute the wealth wherever he can.

I have no problem with the gov’t having significant influence over companies that took bail-out money, but this is going way too far, IMO. I guess it’s the slippery slope we’re on now that the bail-outs have happened. I would have much prefered AIG to go under than have the gov’t trying to run private businesses like this. So far, I am completely unimpressed with Geithner. He seems to have a huge ego with the power grabbing that is going on. What a mess.

The government is invested in these companies largely because the CEO, Chairs, CFO’s, their boards and senior colleagues failed.

I’m not sure that we should have tax payer money invested in these firms, but we are were we are.

Given that the government effectively has a shareholding in these firms, they get to call some of the shots. If I were the firms I’d want to pay that money off ASAP so they can get back to business as usual.

If I was a shareholded in these firms I could look at it from 2 sides. On the one hand I could say I do not ever want the government involved in the private sector and its almost certain that more of these firms other than Lehmans would have failed so they would effectively be cutting off their nose to spite their face. On the other hand they could say I’m pissed off the governments in, but the firms still there so there is a chance I could get my money back.

I think that the government should be able to make some decisions and apply conditions to capital they have invested, what they are and to what extent probably needs to be examined carefully but on principle if the government becomes effectively a share holder then I think they are within their rights to apply conditions because they are responsible to the tax payer and ensuring they get their money back, they are not responsible to the share holders, that was the board and CEO and in these instances they failed them.

Actually I would be OK with this IF, the government also gets full authority of how welfare recipients (who are essentially on the federal payroll) are allowed to spend their money. If we can agree to that then lets go roll the dice and watch the fun the republicans would have during the next republican controlled administration. slippery slope these guys are heading down.

How do I feel about this?

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If I were the firms I’d want to pay that money off ASAP so they can get back to business as usual.

I do not believe that the government will get completely out of their businesses (meaning business as usual) when the money is paid back.

Many Banks were forced to take the money and therefore they (technically I should say we) have been excluded from some of these rules like no bonus payouts. As it was explained to us by our CEO, our federal regulator called and said you are taking this $2.5b and lending it in order to get the credit markets working again. The CEO said you do what your regulator tells you so we took the money. We have the cash reserves to easily pay it back immediately if we wanted to without at all effecting our day to day activities, but we aren’t becuase even though we are currently one of the better capitalized large banks in the country you don’t know what else this economy has waiting for us. So until our peers start paying it back we are holding on/lending it.
I was laughing when a few weeks ago about the hub bub caused when Northern Trust Bank (?) used what seemed like an excessive amount of money on advertising. People were yelling and screaming about them spending money like this on advertising (actually I think it was to become the title sponsor of something) when they recevied TARP funds. The CEO was screaming back that the company actually made a tidy profit in 2008 and was forced to take the money by the Fed. I could totally see that happening to us as we are not afraid to plaster our name on anything.

According to this article many banks had their arms twisted to take funds they didn’t want.

http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/11/25/banks-forced-to-take-bailout/

Can’t tell if you are serious or not, but this is not about knocking the rich down a peg. This is about the ultra rich basically closing the door behind them and doing whatever they can do not allow anyone else to attain wealth in this country. Why else would Gates, Soros, Buffet, John Kerry, Kennedy’s, etc all support this? They aren’t getting knocked down one inch, but relatively getting richer because they have the ability to make others poorer.

The fact that people think they are “going after the rich” is so wrong. People seem to miss that all these policies hurt the middle class and the poor the most.

How do I feel about this?

That big old Barney the Bully is going to bitch slap poor Timmy. :wink:
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Bitch slap him? come on that is barney Frank, he is more likely to give Timmy a big wet kiss and try to grab his package.

I love the irony in a congressman saying “you should not get rich off public money, and you should not get rich off of abject failure.”

As far as the legislation, I think it is yet another horrible example of the wrong direction this country is heading. Despite the lack of any evidence to support it, the prevailing theory is that government hacks can run businesses better than private citizens. A terrible slippery slope and one that I don’t think ends in any good way.

In my mind you have overlooked the most important issue - government should not be lending. It is ineffective and only brings the political process to industry, which does not have a very good track record for success.