Patriot Act threat to privacy a joke compared to real threats

Why do I have a hard time taking privacy advocates seriously when they complain about government security programs. Horrors that the government might get some credit reports under the Patriot Act. Hello, they already get your tax returns.

That stuff is nothing compared to things like this:

Divorce Lawyers Find Toll Records, Prove Spouses Lied About Whereabouts

Tracking me from commercial records would be a snap. I can go over a month at a time paying everything with my credit card, not having a single dollar in my wallet. The only vendor that won’t take my credit card is my barber. My Easy Pass isn’t much help down here in South Florida, but if I were in Orlando I don’t think you can go around the block without hitting a toll.

For some reason, I don’t think privacy is the real agenda of the whiners.

That’s the difference between you and privacy advocates.

You say, it’s ok for the government to do it because private companies can already do it.

Privacy advocates says it’s not ok for anyone to do it and try and stop it whenever they can.

People are pushing for tougher laws on what private companies can do with data too, not just what the government can do with it.

"Privacy advocates says it’s not ok for anyone to do it and try and stop it whenever they can. "

If they actually did that, I wouldn’t have posted about the hypocrisy. Search the archives. I don’t think you will find a single poster complain about the issues I just posted, though there are real impacts on real people on a daily basis. Yet you will find hundreds of whining posts about the Patriot Act, which, as far as I can tell, hasn’t impacted anyone adversely. It is hard to conclude other than that the various posters’ agenda is not privacy protection.

By the way, the toll information is being released by the government or at least the government’s contractor per the government’s policy.

I am actually pretty conflicted about such things. I don’t like the idea of other’s being able to access my car’s black box or my location via my cell phone or Easy Pass, but I would like to be able to do it when advantageous. Life doesn’t work that way, alas. I also wouldn’t want criminals to escape detection because of obstacles to accessing such evidence. These tradeoffs are not easy.

Don’t overlook the monumental difference between imaginary problems that never happen except in your fantasy land and real problems causing real people serious pain every day.

Keep whining about the first group and ignoring the second, and keep getting called on the hypocrisy as you choose.

these companies can take your money and your stuff, all the gov’ment can do is (in addition to the prior mentioned) throw you in jail or have you disappeared.

By the way, the toll information is being released by the government or at least the government’s contractor per the government’s policy.

Not in New Jersey, it isn’t. Only in criminal cases, I believe, will the data be released.

Try as I might, I just cannot find the word “privacy” enunciated anywhere in the Constitution, though I’m sure we’ve made enough out of the whole legalistic term “penumbra” to give the average privacy advocate more than enough reason to fear so-called Patriot Act abuse. Dear me.

T.

Try as I might, I just cannot find the word “privacy” enunciated anywhere in the Constitution, though I’m sure we’ve made enough out of the whole legalistic term “penumbra” to give the average privacy advocate more than enough reason to fear so-called Patriot Act abuse. Dear me.

T.
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

Neither is the word “gun”.

Or the word “freshness”. Look it up. Not in there.

Ha. I believe you are correct. I’m going to double-check though.

Is “beer” included or can we lump that under “pursuit of happyness”?

Actually, the SC has ruled that depriving one of beer is cruel and unusual punishment.

Will get back to you with the citation.