OT: Who's green

A couple of posts today, mostly aimed at ride your bike to work days, have made me realize I’m not the only closet “green” on this forum. So I ask, “How many of your consider yourself an enviromentalist?” And if you do what do you do day to day to lessen your impact on the planet.

Myself

1)Bike whenever possible. I do work, groceries, laundry, all on the bike. Hurt my knee at the studio today, went home to ice it then drove the truck back because riding hurt. Realized I hadn’t bought gas in a month.

2)Minimal paper products. I have read scads of articles on how this doesn’t really make a difference. But, I have been doing it so long I can’t bring myself to quit. I buy TP. Thats it. No paper towels, napkins or plates.

  1. Recycle everything I can.

  2. Refuse to buy over packaged products. For those of you that just said “huh?” My best example is Folgers Coffe Singles. A teaspoon of mixed ground and instant coffee, wrapped in a filter, wrapped in a piece of foil, put into a box, wrapped and sealed with plastic. Beans in a bag work for me.

  3. No grocery bags, expecially plastic. These take 10 -13 years to break down and America uses about 13 billion (I think, don’t hold me to the numbers) a year.

That’s my basic ethics, what are yours?

We have 3 times as mush recycled trash as non… if everyone makes the effort…it will make a difference.

Recycle, recycle, recycle…

As much organic as is available too.

Found the plastic bag stuff, I got on this because of my ex SO, she was death on anything plastic and disposable. She is a research biologist and used to pull up to 12 bic lighters out of a dead albatross while researching them on Midway Atoll. this is National Gepgraphic:

Are Plastic Grocery Bags Sacking the Environment? John Roach
for National Geographic News
September 2, 2003

The “paper or plastic” conundrum that vexed earnest shoppers throughout the 1980s and 90s is largely moot today. Most grocery store baggers don’t bother to ask anymore. They drop the bananas in one plastic bag as they reach for another to hold the six-pack of soda. The pasta sauce and noodles will get one too, as will the dish soap.

Plastic bags are so cheap to produce, sturdy, plentiful, easy to carry and store that they have captured at least 80 percent of the grocery and convenience store market since they were introduced a quarter century ago, according to the Arlington, Virginia-based American Plastics Council.

As a result, the totes are everywhere. They sit balled up and stuffed into the one that hangs from the pantry door. They line bathroom trash bins. They carry clothes to the gym. They clutter landfills. They flap from trees. They float in the breeze. They clog roadside drains. They drift on the high seas. They fill sea turtle bellies.

“The numbers are absolutely staggering,” said Vincent Cobb, an entrepreneur in Chicago, Illinois, who recently launched the Web site http://Reusablebags.com to educate the public about what he terms the “true costs” associated with the spread of “free” bags. He sells reusable bags as a viable solution.

According to Cobb’s calculations extrapolated from data released by the United States Environmental Protection Agency in 2001 on U.S. plastic bag, sack, and wrap consumption, somewhere between 500 billion and a trillion plastic bags are consumed worldwide each year. Of those, millions end up in the litter stream outside of landfills—estimates range from less than one to three percent of the bags.

Laurie Kusek, a spokeswoman for the American Plastics Council, said the industry works with its U.S. retail customers to encourage recycling of plastic bags, which are in high demand from companies such as Trex in Winchester, Virginia, for use in building materials.

“We also feel it is important to understand that plastic grocery bags are some of the most reused items around the house,” she said. “Many, many bags are reused as book and lunch bags as kids head off to school, as trash can liners, and to pickup Fido’s droppings off the lawn.”

But like candy wrappers, chewing gum, cigarette butts, and thousands of other pieces of junk, millions of the plastic bags end up as litter. Once in the environment, it takes months to hundreds of years for plastic bags to breakdown. As they decompose, tiny toxic bits seep into soils, lakes, rivers, and the oceans, said Cobb.

Plastic Fantastic

The Film and Bag Federation, a trade group within the Society of the Plastics Industry based in Washington, D.C., said the right choice between paper or plastic bags is clearly plastic.

Compared to paper grocery bags, plastic grocery bags consume 40 percent less energy, generate 80 percent less solid waste, produce 70 percent fewer atmospheric emissions, and release up to 94 percent fewer waterborne wastes, according to the federation.

Robert Bateman, president of Roplast Industries, a manufacturer of plastic bags—including reusable ones—in Oroville, California, said the economic advantage of plastic bags over paper bags has become too significant for store owners to ignore. It costs one cent for a standard plastic grocery sack, whereas a paper bag costs four cents, he said.

“The plastic bags are so inexpensive that in the stores no one treats them as worth anything … they use two, three, or four when one would do just as well,” he said.

First introduced in the 1970s, plastic bags now account for four out of every five bags handed out at the grocery store. “When you look at it as a product, it is an unbelievable success story,” said Cobb.

The success of the plastic bag has meant a dramatic increase in the amount of sacks found floating in the oceans where they choke, strangle, and starve wildlife and raft alien species around the world, according to David Barnes, a marine scientist with the British Antarctic Survey in Cambridge, England, who studies the impact of marine debris.

Barnes said that plastic bags have gone “from being rare in the late 80s and early 90s to being almost everywhere from Spitsbergen 78° North to Falklands 51° South , but I’ll bet they’ll be washing up in Antarctica within the decade.”

Bateman said that plastic bags are becoming a victim of their success. “The industry is at the stage where its success has caused concerns and these concerns need to be addressed responsibly,” he said. Among other initiatives, Bateman supports the development of biodegradable plastic bags, a technology that has made strides in recent years.

Plastax to the Rescue?

Plastic bag litter has become such an environmental nuisance and eyesore that Ireland, Taiwan, South Africa, Australia, and Bangladesh have heavily taxed the totes or banned their use outright. Several other regions, including England and some U.S. cities, are considering similar actions.

Tony Lowes, director of Friends of the Irish Environment in County Cork, said the 15 cent (about 20 cents U.S.) tax on plastic bags introduced there in March 2002 has resulted in a 95 percent reduction in their use. “It’s been an extraordinary success,” he said.

According to Lowes, just about everyone in Ireland carries around a reusable bag and the plastic bags that once blighted the verdant Irish countryside are now merely an occasional eyesore. Cobb believes a similar tax in the U.S. would have a similar effect on reducing consumption.

The American Plastics Council is wary of such a tax in the U.S. They say it would cost tens of thousands of jobs and result in an increase in energy consumption, pollution, landfill space, and grocery prices as store owners increase reliance on more expensive paper bags as an alternative.

Bateman said the Irish tax of about U.S. 20 cents per bag is too high, but that a tax of 3 to 5 cents could have a positive impact on reducing plastic bag consumption by changing people’s behavior.

“Having bags charged has some merits because it gets them used more responsibly,” he said. For example, instead of a bagger using six bags to package a person’s dinner, the bagger might use just two.

As for Cobb, he hopes people will begin to realize that paper and plastic bags both come at great cost to the environment and instead of scratching their head when asked which type they prefer, they’ll pull a tightly packed reusable bag from their pocket.

“We want to make it cool to carry reusable shopping bags,” he said.

Great stuff on this site:

http://reusablebags.com/

Recycle, recycle, recycle…

Reduce, reuse, then recycle.

you can go to Sam’s Club.

it’s cheaper than most places and they don’t even have plastic bags. it’s like in Germany. you get a box (cardbox, recyclable).

Shit dawg! I thaught you were talking about two totally different things.

#1. Weeeeeeeeed brother. Its all about the weed.

#2. That dumb ass slang that Hollywood tried to pawn on us in The Fifth Element. Remember Chris Tucker? “Super green!”

Sure I recycle and shit. I’m from Boulder! thats what we’re about.

Check out your ecological footprint. There are a number of them online but I found the one at Mountain Equipment Co-op to be really good (recently used it for a graduate seminar in ecology)

Google ecological footprint MEC

Basically this evaluates various aspects of your lifestyle to a total ecolgical impact. Bike commute? Recycle? Eat locally grown foods - For example, although it is great to eat organically grown avacados, it is a huge consumption of fuel to ship them from New Zealand.

Jude

NO! The sam wall evil empire! Huge ecological footprint.

True. Probably over emphasized the recycle - just I’m a bit fanatical and try to impart this to others.

I want my little girl to grow up not thinking her parents were ecological disasters.

That is a way bitchin site: http://www.mec.ca/Apps/ecoCalc/ecoCalc.jsp;jsessionid=CoA0mXdUq8QLa8f31woF2Lne0n7qCcei8RD2lnXtjntXbGgyCeyU!-1602141907!170918972!2003!7002

My score was 37.82, the average american is 100, so I’m in the bottom third (almost) as far as impact on ol earth. Would be interested in seeing what a 9-5, 2 kids, suv driving STer would register. No bashing just want to compare. This calculator gives points due to exercise and eating habits too so we all should be above average.

Nice work Jim. 13.5 here - vegetarian bike commuter with organic garden and compost.

I want a re match. I have to fly 10k to see my folks every year. We don’t have heat or AC in our house. I don’t take public transpo cause I rides me bike, and still scored higher than you guys. Hard to grow a garden in a 900sq ft condo. G

commute? Recycle? Eat locally grown foods - For example, although it is great to eat organically grown avacados, it is a huge consumption of fuel to ship them from New Zealand.

Jude Tell you what - you ship your Cervelos/funky tri gear down here, and we will ship greenie products back…good? ;

27.13

drive once a week, if that (around 8,000 miles/year or less)
recycle
eat meat
use plastic bags

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-recycle

-compost

-no teflon anywhere in my house (and I tell everybody to get rid of the stuff…it is horrible for humans and the environment!)

-no microwave (not really sure what this does, but anything that would mess up a pacemaker couldn’t be that good)

-organic gardening, gardening and digging down to make “sink holes” which is good for run off water

-oragnic gardening treatments only–no chemicals, and share seeds with my neighbors so they grow things too

-use all natural (and petroleum free) cleaning products

-reuse bags all the time

-advocat of wildlife and cutlivate wildlife in my backyard and neighborhood (have seen and heard two new species of woodpeckers in the neighborhood and my backyard since I started cultivating for the birds, not to mention bigger birds like hawks as well)

-buy from local free range farmers

-hardly drive, and would be lucky to put even 2000 miles on my car a year (but admit I could be better on the walking to and from)

this year the biggie is growing enough vegetables to share. i hope it works!

my future plans include having enough land so that we have a pond for fish (that could feed big birds and us/others), and would like to cultivate a giant bird sanctuary (that would support other wildlife obviously), and maybe partner up with a wildlife federation on it. I’m also hoping to have sheep so I can shear them and make my own yarn as well, and possibly have an alpaca. a big vegetable garden would be included and maybe some chickens. this would be alot of work, but would be good for wildlife, organic farming and having a enough to share with others. i hope this comes sooner than later (like within 3 years).

Green here.
I live in an apartment building (at least until children come along) to reduce my footprint on the local farmland (major problem with sprawling Toronto and area is turning of some of the best farmland available in Canada into cookie cutter houses with no ammenities near by so everyone has to drive everywhere).
I walk to the local commuter train stop and take the train to work.
Locally grown food, seasonal cooking as much as possible (ie. no strawberries in Dec).
Four cylinder turbo car, getting good mileage, gets driven around 10,000 km a year and is 10 years old. I can afford new car, but what’s the point?
Recycle everything, even though most of the stuff ends up on the landfill anyways due to the lack of facilities.
Once kids come along gf and I will be buying a small farm and trying to grow as much of our own food as possible.
I do understand that not everyone wants to do these things or has the time to, but the way most people disregard our environment as something to piss on really worries me.

112.48%, which means that I keep more people gainfully employed supplying my family’s needs than most of the rest of you.

If organic were the only means of growing food, then a far larger portion of the world would be starving than is currently starving.

Is that your total acres or your percentage?

this is true. while I do buy eggs, meats, lettuce, and dairy organic, it is horrifically expensive. standard farming is what allows prices to be so low and provides abundance that americans are so used to. if everyone had to buy organic vegetables and fruits, there would be a tremendous issue with supply, demand and cost.

Actually a much bigger problem in third world countries. India’s Green Revolution has done wonders for the standard of living of its population, which is remarkably better than 40 years ago. But, it would not have happened without modern agriculture.

A lot of Americans can afford the cost of organic and do so because they perceive it to be healthier. It certainly does taste better, and we eat a lot of organic food. Of course, this time of year a Whole Foods store in Michigan has organic fruits and vegetables from overseas so I’m not sure how ecologically sound that is.