OK, McCain not so bad. I need acknowledge that

Great speech by McCain today. I disagree with him a lot, but he nailed it today.

Let us keep in the front of our minds the likely consequences of premature withdrawal from Iraq. Many of my colleagues would like to believe that, should the withdrawal amendment we are currently debating become law, it would mark the end of this long effort. They are wrong. Should the Congress force a precipitous withdrawal from Iraq, it would mark a new beginning, the start of a new, more dangerous, and more arduous effort to contain the forces unleashed by our disengagement.
No matter where my colleagues came down in 2003 about the centrality of Iraq to the war on terror, there can simply be no debate that our efforts in Iraq today are critical to the wider struggle against violent Islamic extremism. Already, the terrorists are emboldened, excited that America is talking not about winning in Iraq, but is rather debating when we should lose.


Mr. President, the terrorists are in this war to win it. The question is: Are we?


The supporters of this amendment respond that they do not by any means intend to cede the battlefield to al Qaeda; on the contrary, their legislation would allow U.S. forces, presumably holed up in forward operating bases, to carry out targeted counterterrorism operations. But our own military commanders say that this approach will not succeed, and that moving in with search and destroy missions to kill and capture terrorists, only to immediately cede the territory to the enemy, is the failed strategy of the past three and a half years.


Mr. President, this fight is about Iraq but not about Iraq alone. It is greater than that and more important still, about whether America still has the political courage to fight for victory or whether we will settle for defeat, with all of the terrible things that accompany it. We cannot walk away gracefully from defeat in this war.


Mr. President, right now, as we continue our debate on the war in Iraq, American soldiers, Marines, sailors and airmen are fighting bravely and tenaciously in battles that are as dangerous, difficult and consequential as the great battles of our armed forces’ storied past. Americans who fought in France’s hedgerow country; those who bled in the sands and jungles of Pacific islands, who braved the onslaught of the Chinese Army in the frozen terrain of Korea, and who fought a desperate battle to retake Hue from the enemy during the Tet Offensive and against numerically superior forces in an isolated Marine base at Khe San will recognize and honor the sacrifice of Americans who now fight with such valor, determination and skill to defend the security interests and the honor of our country in desperate battles in Iraq.
The hour is indeed late in Iraq. How we have arrived at this critical and desperate moment has been well chronicled, and history’s judgment about the long catalogue of mistakes in the prosecution of this war will be stern and unforgiving. But history will revere the honor and the sacrifice of those Americans, who despite the mistakes and failures of both civilian and military leaders, shouldered a rifle and risked everything – everything – so that the country they love so well might not suffer the many dangerous consequences of defeat.


We, too, Mr. President, we members of Congress, must face our responsibilities honestly and bravely. What is asked of us is so less onerous than what we have asked from our servicemen and women, but no less consequential. We need not risk our lives, nor our health, but only our political advantages so that General Petraeus has the time and resources he has asked for to follow up on his recent successes and help save Iraq and America from the catastrophe that would be an American defeat. That is not much to risk, Mr. President, compared to the sacrifices made by Americans fighting in Iraq or the terrible consequences of our defeat. For if we withdraw from Iraq, if we choose to lose there, there is no doubt in my mind, no doubt at all, that we will be back – in Iraq and elsewhere – in many more desperate fights to protect our security and at an even greater cost in American lives and treasure.
Little is asked of us to help prevent this catastrophe, but so much depends on our willingness to do so, on the sincerity of our pledge to serve America’s interests before our own.

He may be the only candidate out there who has the ability to compose such a speech, or the gravitas to deliver it.

It’s too bad his campaign has ended. I was hoping he’d make a better showing.

Why do you suppose we don’t get speeches from Reid being posted here? Surely they must be equally inspiring.

I still don’t want McCain as President, but I need to give him well earned credit here. He gets it.

Mojozenmaster 7/11/07:

“Mark me, the time will come when you fucking liberals will have to deal with the aftermath brought on by the policies of your pussification. You guys have about 18 months to slap each other on the back and congratulate yourselves for being pussies. If we pull out of Iraq, the carnage, devastation and bloodshed will exceed your worst nightmares…”

John McCain 7/17/07

“That is not much to risk, Mr. President, compared to the sacrifices made by Americans fighting in Iraq or the terrible consequences of our defeat. For if we withdraw from Iraq, if we choose to lose there, there is no doubt in my mind, no doubt at all, that we will be back – in Iraq and elsewhere – in many more desperate fights to protect our security and at an even greater cost in American lives and treasure.”

I’m kind of offended that McCain is lurking in the LR and Hijacking my shit, but also kind of flattered that I am able to influence political leaders with my great words. McCain might not present his message with the same eloquence and passion as I do, but then again, I have ascended to the height of political wisdom and he’s just hanging on my coat-tails, picking up my scraps.

I can’t get over how the styles of McCain and the Master are so similar.

I used to think I did, before he allowed himself to be date-Roved in the SC primaries back in 2000. His time has come and gone, but despite his political missteps, I still consider him a Statesman and Patriot. None of his current opposition holds a candle to him in that respect.

Maybe Reid will throw his hat in the ring, while he’s enjoying the spotlight. Although, I hear there’s been some concern lately about your head exploding, so maybe it’s best if he didn’t.

Yeah, he was going to quote my shit directly, but knew he would be Slowman’d for infringing upon the LR’s Proprietary MZM Democrat Bashing Technologies. It’s cool with me, I remain in the shadows, but yield overwhelming exrtremist power…for others to use partially, or otherwise, in their quest for the nations highest office.

BTW, has McCain ever come out with a plan to succeed in Iraq, besides the ol ‘stay the course’ with an occasional ‘surginess’ - - or is he just fancy talk?

What’s your plan LorenzoP?

Last I checked, LorenzoP wasn’t running for President, so I’d rather hear McCain’s plan than his.

That would depend upon your definition of “success.” My definition of sucess in Iraq would be to smack down all muslims, shiites and sunnis alike, until they can pull their heads out of the 6th century and conform with modern expectations of civility, humanity, and tolerance. Islam is a religion of savegery at the present moment. Savages need to have their asses kicked with extreme predjudice. McCain probably does not have the testicular fortitude to qoute my words directly, but given his prior tendancies of hijacking my shit, he will end up saying someting similar within the next week.

My definition of sucess in Iraq would be to smack down all muslims, shiites and sunnis alike, until they can pull their heads out of the 6th century and conform with modern expectations of civility, humanity, and tolerance.


Sounds like a great plan, well thought out.


**And here I was wondering why so much of the world is questioning our policies. **



My definition of sucess in Iraq would be to smack down all muslims, shiites and sunnis alike, until they can pull their heads out of the 6th century and conform with modern expectations of civility, humanity, and tolerance.

please tell me that you’re at least aware of the irony of this sentence.

That would depend upon your definition of “success.” My definition of sucess in Iraq would be to smack down all muslims, shiites and sunnis alike, until they can pull their heads out of the 6th century and conform with modern expectations of civility, humanity, and tolerance. Islam is a religion of savegery at the present moment. Savages need to have their asses kicked with extreme predjudice. McCain probably does not have the testicular fortitude to qoute my words directly, but given his prior tendancies of hijacking my shit, he will end up saying someting similar within the next week.


Great posts. I don’t disagree with all of it, but eloquently and humorously put, nonetheless (with all seriousness).

Being a “pussy” on the whole situation will do us no good, but neither will “smacking down all muslims”…unless you can actually smack them ALL down. Sun Tsu in The Art of War (which I’m certain you’ve read) talks about the issues with a military strategy that leaves no escape route for the enemy:

Roughly translated:

“Forcing a dog into a corner is bad because a cornered dog will bite back.”

Sun Tsu may have meant this in a more literal sense being more akin to battles like Hamburger Hill (there’s no where to retreat to when surounded on the top of a hill), however when I ask myself when the successful occupation of a large nation was, the answer I come up with is THIS nation…and it was a result of “smacking down all the Indians”…or more specifically killing a large majority of them.

In this metephor, “retreat” is a life that involves something other than terrorism. Unfortunately, as long as we occupy the region, be it right or wrong, a lot of people are going to be pissed off and want to do whatever they can to get back at us…in this case, through terrorism.

I can imagine what Mojozenmaster the Mighty would do if our country was occupied by a bunch of muslims and he had no Marine Corps to fight for. Well, they have a whole nation of Mojozenmasters who, frankly, are willing to strap exposives to themselves and blow themselves up in order to kill other people. I really don’t think we are going to scare them into surrender.

I agree that it will suck if we pull out, but it sucks right now and it isn’t getting any better, any safer, or any cheaper. A new strategy needs to be adopted that includes European support, Arab support, increased diplomatic efforts, and increased intelligence efforts.

There’s a reason why we never invaded the Soviets.

BTW, before I get lambasted, I do support military actions…but they must be winable military engagements. Afganistan is one example that I think could have been winable. I also supported and still do support the first Iraq invasion.

Anyway, gotta get some work done before I get ripped apart by the Marine and his Chicken Hawk friends.