Host nation is only allocated 2 individual spots for each gender, the 3rd has to be earned.
Anybody else surprised Beth Potter wasn’t moved up from"podium potential" to 'podium" by British Triathlon?
What does this mean in terms of funding?
Anybody else surprised Beth Potter wasn’t moved up from"podium potential" to 'podium" by British Triathlon?
What does this mean in terms of funding?
Nothing would surprise me at all with British Triathlon. If your face doesn’t fit it is like running in treacle. She was only added to podium potential last year.
I think the criteria was 2 podiums, which she had at Hamburg and Bermuda. Add to that the Commonwealth Bronze behind 2 fantastic performances by Duffy and GTB and you really have to ask what she needs to do to be considered top tier.
Coldwell had 1 podium last season and came 4th behind Potter at the Commonwealths. If Coldwell is Podium I cannot fathom how Potter isn’t.
EDIT: Just re-read the policy, I believe she meets the criteria for Podium. Coldwell appears to be there due to a medal in MTR.
I didn’t think British triathlon were that bad, but don’t really know
Mostly they have the right people funded.
I know she only got funding last year. In a way I can understand that, because the Olympics got delayed.
But I really am gobsmacked that she is not podium this year.
Vicky Holland is still there?
I didn’t think British triathlon were that bad, but don’t really know
Mostly they have the right people funded.
I know she only got funding last year. In a way I can understand that, because the Olympics got delayed.
But I really am gobsmacked that she is not podium this year.
Vicky Holland is still there?
Learmonth is there due to the injury protection clause, Holland is there due to the pregnancy protection clause.
If you read the policy she clearly meets the criteria for Podium.
I wonder of there is some sort of limit on the podium folks they support, either in writing, or a self imposed one? perhaps Beth is at this level because there is no room at the moment at the next one up? As you stated, a couple are shoe horned in from triggers, and the rest are pretty much top candidates. Gotta be tough on that team, not unlike our US one for the womens…
I wonder of there is some sort of limit on the podium folks they support, either in writing, or a self imposed one? perhaps Beth is at this level because there is no room at the moment at the next one up? As you stated, a couple are shoe horned in from triggers, and the rest are pretty much top candidates. Gotta be tough on that team, not unlike our US one for the womens…
There is no limit. If you meet the criteria you are supposed to be funded.
TBH we need more men in that group. I don’t think Holland will be racing at all this year which all but closes the window for next year. Learmonth is at the Olympic rehab centre on a regular basis so hopefully she is good to go by about June.
There seems to be a bias to results in MTR which is all very well and good but if your face doesn’t fit and you don’t get picked how are you supposed to get over that hurdle.
Commonwealths Potter had an awesome MTR racing for Scotland. She was ranked 3 going into grand final but had leg cramps and dropped off the lead group.
I have a horrible feeling Olympic selection is going to be political for those who don’t auto qualify on the womens side. I can’t see 3 men qualifying again.
Should Holland have been on the top level funding last year though? She didn’t do a single race as far as I can see. And having just given birth it’s unlikely she will race this year. So that will be two years on the top funding with no racing, which seems a bit ridiculous.
Should Holland have been on the top level funding last year though? She didn’t do a single race as far as I can see. And having just given birth it’s unlikely she will race this year. So that will be two years on the top funding with no racing, which seems a bit ridiculous.
The policy is clear about the process for return to racing but vague about timing etc. She only had the baby at the end of January so she would have been pregnant around May. I am not sue if she was injured or chasing commercial opportunities for the early season but the timing will actually potentially allow 3 years on top tier. Hard to believe she will be a Paris contended but you never know.
Do you have any news Rob on why Potter wasn’t put on top tier? She was the best athlete behind GTB all year. I can’t understand why her results (which meet funding criteria) didn’t result in the uplift to Podium. Her Commonwealth Games performance alone shows she should be in that top group.
I don’t actually think Holland will receive any funding as her commercial earnings will push her above the threshold.
Not a clue. Does seem very harsh on Beth Potter, she’s 7th in the WTCS rankings and 4th in the Olympic rankings!
abu dhabi start lists are up:
https://triathlon.org/...ies_abu_dhabi/581954
Interesting. Only Blummenfelt on the list for Norway guys. Could change still.
Kristian is the only Norwegian ranked high enough to get a start with the first 50 named.
I wonder of there is some sort of limit on the podium folks they support, either in writing, or a self imposed one? perhaps Beth is at this level because there is no room at the moment at the next one up? As you stated, a couple are shoe horned in from triggers, and the rest are pretty much top candidates. Gotta be tough on that team, not unlike our US one for the womens…
There is no limit. If you meet the criteria you are supposed to be funded.
TBH we need more men in that group. I don’t think Holland will be racing at all this year which all but closes the window for next year. Learmonth is at the Olympic rehab centre on a regular basis so hopefully she is good to go by about June.
There seems to be a bias to results in MTR which is all very well and good but if your face doesn’t fit and you don’t get picked how are you supposed to get over that hurdle.
Commonwealths Potter had an awesome MTR racing for Scotland. She was ranked 3 going into grand final but had leg cramps and dropped off the lead group.
I have a horrible feeling Olympic selection is going to be political for those who don’t auto qualify on the womens side. I can’t see 3 men qualifying again.
Unfortunately for any federation with a crowd at the pointy end of the standings it’s almost always political for any discretionary selections… All they can hope is that they pull a rabbit out of a hat like USAT did with Katie Z for Tokyo, where it was an impossible choice between her and Spivey, and despite all of the flak they caught, they came out looking pretty good, when she pulled off a medal… And given that an MTR medal is just as valuable to most federations as an individual one, in terms of securing government funding, it’s always going to skew their interests. If I was calling the GB Olympic team today, I would say GTB, Potter and Coldwell. But there’s still plenty of time. Holland is likely out of the picture for Paris, given that she hasn’t raced in the qualification window yet, and given that she gave birth last week, it’s unlikely we’ll see her until the fall at the earliest, but more likely next year, which doesn’t give her much real estate to get results (and missing the test event auto-qualification opportunity). Learmonth is dicey, if she can get healthy by June, she has a legit shot to make the team, but would likely need to auto qualify, or rack up a number of podiums to get selected, since she’s unlikely to score in the first qualifying window. Depending on how fast she gets back, it might be more straightforward, but they also have some young guns coming up that probably have a leg up on Potter when it comes to the MTR, so that could cloud it a bit…
This season will be really interesting as the OG selections start to take shape…
Not a limit thing. Non Stanford is gone, so there is one less athlete listed at that level.
Learmonth would qualify discretionary as a domestique for GTB. I can’t see her auto qualifying this time round simply due to the fact that she missed the whole of last season and is still in rehab at Bisham Abbey.
GB policies is all around the test event and being an existing medalist. So basically GTB, Learmonth, Yee and Brownlee have an advantage before they even start the race. (Assuming Holland won’t be on the start line in August!).
Following that Coldwell has an advantage over Potter because the next level criteria considers MTR medals at World and European level. Which goes back to my previous statement regarding actual selection for MTR races. Potter consistently beat Coldwell last year but Coldwell always got the nod for the MTR. If you don’t get picked you can’t stack the cards in your favour.
Potter will have to auto qualify to go to Paris, which is harder as the policy works against her.
Is LCB still somehow in the mix?
Is LCB still somehow in the mix??Still? I suggest she never was, except in playing to the gallery and pandemic affected race(s).
Is LCB still somehow in the mix??Still? I suggest she never was, except in playing to the gallery and pandemic affected race(s).
That’s a bit harsh. She had a couple of very solid results. And has the ability to change the race, potentially to the advantage of Taylor-Brown. Just not sure if after her injured year she still plans to give it a go or had given up. It seems to be too late now, having not scored any points last year.
Learmonth would qualify discretionary as a domestique for GTB. I can’t see her auto qualifying this time round simply due to the fact that she missed the whole of last season and is still in rehab at Bisham Abbey.
GB policies is all around the test event and being an existing medalist. So basically GTB, Learmonth, Yee and Brownlee have an advantage before they even start the race. (Assuming Holland won’t be on the start line in August!).
Following that Coldwell has an advantage over Potter because the next level criteria considers MTR medals at World and European level. Which goes back to my previous statement regarding actual selection for MTR races. Potter consistently beat Coldwell last year but Coldwell always got the nod for the MTR. If you don’t get picked you can’t stack the cards in your favour.
Potter will have to auto qualify to go to Paris, which is harder as the policy works against her.
I honestly don’t think Learmouth will show the fitness to be selected for Indivdual or MTR. She’s 35 this year and serious injuries at that age tend to end you.
The GB selection policies are actually an absolute circus. Leeds last year was ridiculous. They knew fine well that AB was nowhere near fit, but had Tom Bishop racing here, there and everywhere at the last minute and Alex Yee is having to prove himself in this unofficial selection race. They just make it up as they go along.
The GF last year was the excuse they needed to keep Beth off Podium. I’d say the safest route is to podium at the Test Event or GF this year. I have a feeling the women’s team will be a similar situation to the Mens in 2021, with the final picks after the Leeds 2024 race.
Learmonth would qualify discretionary as a domestique for GTB. I can’t see her auto qualifying this time round simply due to the fact that she missed the whole of last season and is still in rehab at Bisham Abbey.
GB policies is all around the test event and being an existing medalist. So basically GTB, Learmonth, Yee and Brownlee have an advantage before they even start the race. (Assuming Holland won’t be on the start line in August!).
Following that Coldwell has an advantage over Potter because the next level criteria considers MTR medals at World and European level. Which goes back to my previous statement regarding actual selection for MTR races. Potter consistently beat Coldwell last year but Coldwell always got the nod for the MTR. If you don’t get picked you can’t stack the cards in your favour.
Potter will have to auto qualify to go to Paris, which is harder as the policy works against her.
I honestly don’t think Learmouth will show the fitness to be selected for Indivdual or MTR. She’s 35 this year and serious injuries at that age tend to end you.
The GB selection policies are actually an absolute circus. Leeds last year was ridiculous. They knew fine well that AB was nowhere near fit, but had Tom Bishop racing here, there and everywhere at the last minute and Alex Yee is having to prove himself in this unofficial selection race. They just make it up as they go along.
The GF last year was the excuse they needed to keep Beth off Podium. I’d say the safest route is to podium at the Test Event or GF this year. I have a feeling the women’s team will be a similar situation to the Mens in 2021, with the final picks after the Leeds 2024 race.
Totally agree, it is a farce. It has been the same for years. The embarrassment of selections for 2012 and all of the appeals was just the tip of the iceberg. It is every Olympic cycle. Beth will not be going to the Olympics unless she auto qualifies, and she knows that. They are never going to willingly chose her for an MTR event to give her the opportunity to meet the 2nd criteria so she needs to podium and make them pick her. Their choice is GTB + Coldwell and one other. GTB is stand out but the policy is clearly biased to the MTR athlete and they constantly chose Coldwell, even when beaten by Potter - Beth never gets the nod. I think the only time they have raced each other in the MTR was the Commonwealths, where Potter beat Coldwell by about 30 seconds.
It has been the same for years and years. Whitcombe, Cave, Swallow, Blatchford, Dillon, Stimpson, Pallant. I can’t even try to explain it.
When Lucy Charles approached them to get into Tri they wouldn’t even consider it.
Learmonth would qualify discretionary as a domestique for GTB. I can’t see her auto qualifying this time round simply due to the fact that she missed the whole of last season and is still in rehab at Bisham Abbey.
GB policies is all around the test event and being an existing medalist. So basically GTB, Learmonth, Yee and Brownlee have an advantage before they even start the race. (Assuming Holland won’t be on the start line in August!).
Following that Coldwell has an advantage over Potter because the next level criteria considers MTR medals at World and European level. Which goes back to my previous statement regarding actual selection for MTR races. Potter consistently beat Coldwell last year but Coldwell always got the nod for the MTR. If you don’t get picked you can’t stack the cards in your favour.
Potter will have to auto qualify to go to Paris, which is harder as the policy works against her.
I honestly don’t think Learmouth will show the fitness to be selected for Indivdual or MTR. She’s 35 this year and serious injuries at that age tend to end you.
The GB selection policies are actually an absolute circus. Leeds last year was ridiculous. They knew fine well that AB was nowhere near fit, but had Tom Bishop racing here, there and everywhere at the last minute and Alex Yee is having to prove himself in this unofficial selection race. They just make it up as they go along.
The GF last year was the excuse they needed to keep Beth off Podium. I’d say the safest route is to podium at the Test Event or GF this year. I have a feeling the women’s team will be a similar situation to the Mens in 2021, with the final picks after the Leeds 2024 race.
Totally agree, it is a farce. It has been the same for years. The embarrassment of selections for 2012 and all of the appeals was just the tip of the iceberg. It is every Olympic cycle. Beth will not be going to the Olympics unless she auto qualifies, and she knows that. They are never going to willingly chose her for an MTR event to give her the opportunity to meet the 2nd criteria so she needs to podium and make them pick her. Their choice is GTB + Coldwell and one other. GTB is stand out but the policy is clearly biased to the MTR athlete and they constantly chose Coldwell, even when beaten by Potter - Beth never gets the nod. I think the only time they have raced each other in the MTR was the Commonwealths, where Potter beat Coldwell by about 30 seconds.
It has been the same for years and years. Whitcombe, Cave, Swallow, Blatchford, Dillon, Stimpson, Pallant. I can’t even try to explain it.
When Lucy Charles approached them to get into Tri they wouldn’t even consider it.
The key here is injuries. I honestly don’t see Learmouth in Paris. Forget the domestique route, she won’t be fit to compete. Then Coldwell has to stay in one piece.
I think Beth is not far away from a podium at the test event. Still alot of room for improvement on the bike-run portion, as her lower technical skills compared to the rest of the front pack means she is pushing more watts, and this explains her “sub par” runs compared to Duffy, given the fact she would smash her in an Open 10km.
But she is gonna have to keep performing right to death in 2024 to get picked. And that isn’t good when you want to peak in Paris.