Athletes! I’m no longer providing fit assistance on this thread.
The past 5 years have been an honor – thank you for trusting me with the critical task of prescribing your bike purchase. I hope that I might return in the future to continue.
All the best, Ian
Howdy Y’all,
Ian Murray here - fit instructor at both the Slowtwitch F.I.S.T. bike fit school and at the Guru Academy.
I’ve created this thread in a Canyon endorsed capacity to help prescribe the proper Speedmax for you: not just the size of bike, but the front-end configuration as well. That means the length of stem, shape of base bar, amount of arm pad pedestal, etc. to make the Canyon you buy the best it can be.
I’m not the one to answer questions about availability, nor do all manner of customer service, handle warranty issues, nor be a suggestion box about colors and whatnot – but I can and will deliver on fit. I’m not the best guy to this by the way. David (cyclenutnz) is better. Dan (slowman) is better too, but both those guys are too damn busy, so the task has fallen to me – and, frankly, I’m stoked. At the 2017 Kona Expo, I did nearly 40 Canyon Speedmax Sizing fits in 2 days and it was a joy.
If you are looking to buy a Canyon Speedmax and you want to make sure you get the right size, touch base right here on this thread. Best practices are for you to post your Seat Height, Pad Y, Pad X (AKA Pad Stack, Pad Reach) and I will prescribe the proper Speedmax for you. If you don’t know your Pad Y & Pad X then let me assist you in identifying those coordinates.
I’m not Ian, but I’ll go out on a limb and say you are not going to get a pad X of 580mm on any bike with an integrated front end. And at 5’11" sitting -7 on an ISM, you’re just weird. You need a classic P3, 56cm with a 14cm stem and some super fore and aft adjustable bars.
I’d like to see a photo of the position though. I’m 5’11", ride a 155 crank, ISM saddle at -2cm, with a Pad X of 550 and I am really stretched. You’re talking about roughly 3 more inches off (saddle to pad) “reach”.
580 is long. If that’s a typo LMK, if it’s correct than you’re good for a Canyon Speedmax size large with the long stem (85mm) + the TSP (Team Switch Plate) in the forward position. That’s to satisfy your 580 of Pad Reach. Then for your Pad Stack of 635 you’d use the flat base bar with a single 20mm spacer + three 5mm spacers. You could also do the drop base bar with two 20mm spacers or the rise base bar with a single 5mm spacer but I think flat bar is a better choice.
Team Switch Plate huh? Never heard of him. That bike in size L is showing on the Canyon website as having a max Pad X of 513. That TSP gets another 6+cm of reach? Seems crazy, but I not calling you a liar. I do want to understand the options on this bike as I expect to start to see more of them.
Edited - Ok, I see the SLX is a much longer bike. That might actually be one of the longest integrated bikes on the market, with the long stem and fancy TSP widget. Comparable to the IA with dagger stem anyway.
How about:
Pad reach to back of pad 490
Pad stack 596 (would be nice to have a bit of room to go lower if possible)
Saddle height 779
I like to be able to angle pads and extensions.
I’m not Ian, but I’ll go out on a limb and say you are not going to get a pad X of 580mm on any bike with an integrated front end. And at 5’11" sitting -7 on an ISM, you’re just weird. You need a classic P3, 56cm with a 14cm stem and some super fore and aft adjustable bars.
I’d like to see a photo of the position though. I’m 5’11", ride a 155 crank, ISM saddle at -2cm, with a Pad X of 550 and I am really stretched. You’re talking about roughly 3 more inches off (saddle to pad) “reach”.
Sorry best I can do at the moment.
Pic is from MD, seat is about 2cm further back now at 7cm behind bb, cockpit is 1 cm higher.
Im open to suggestions as I was considering getting with you or Eric for a new fit in off season.
155 crank is necessary evil for hip issue.
Dont have those measurements, but I have these! Would grab em, but I’m away from my bike a bit unfortunately.
Pad X: 136mm
extension length from center of pad to extension end is 330mm
Sitero seat up 790mm, set back is -60mm
saddle front tip to center pad is 530mm
I’m deciding between a CLX, Ventum One, and Premiere Tactical. Thanks for the help!
I’m struggling to get to 580
L frame X: 457.6
Stem x: 85
TSP max x: 27
So the maximum pad mount x is 569.6
Minimum pad offset is 51.2
Which gets us 518.4 max pad x rear
Or 558.4 pad x centre
So Dave L is fine, Fishy - depends on the tolerance you work to
This is further complicated if you want tilt - the Angled Switch Plate gives a fixed 9deg - it is supposed to be used at the base of the pedestal so can have a significant impact on pad x when you tilt the whole tower.
Fishbum has come over to the Alien side. Welcome, and enjoy the free speed.
I’m 570/510 pad y/x, please can you fit me? I looked at the Canyon fit charts a while back and seemed to fit onto a Medium pretty well, which was a nice surprise as I’m long and low enough that I struggle with a lot of modern bikes with integrated front-ends. I’m currently on a 2012 P3C and the Canyon is high on my list of upgrade options.
Would also be nice to confirm options around seat tube angle ranges of adjustability - I ride pretty steep but the Speedmax looks ok for that to my eye. Obviously the thing you sit on affects that also.
Not my numbers here, just a double-check for another athlete’s peace of mind while researching purchase options for a first tri-bike. Canyon is not on the current list but maybe it should be.
Pad X (Pad Reach) is a number that needs to be at least 400mm, prolly more. Double check that. Just as an example…if the tip of your Sitero measures 530 to the center of your pad, and the tip of your Sitero is set back 60 your Pad X is very likely 470.
And if you don’t have the Pad Stack now I can help you find it if you’re near your existing bike. Get back to me here.
With Pad Y of 635 and a Pad X of 470 you should get a small Speedmax. The front end will need to have the short stem, the rise base bar, and a single 60mm spacer and two 5mm spacers under the aerobars. You could do the medium but you’d have to use the TSP to bring the pads back and I think the small would be a better choice.
What do you see as the big differences between frame sizes when you could ride either a size bigger or a size smaller?
I bought a large (still waiting to be built) with both the flat and drop base bars, 65mm stem, TSP & angled kits and the J and L bend extensions, but realise I could also ride the medium.
pad stack = 620mmpad reach = 509mm knees just behind elbows (but I’ve ridden the last few years at 530-535 or so).saddle height = 809mmsaddle set back (nose behind bb) = 15mm
With Pad Y of 635 and a Pad X of 470 you should get a small Speedmax. The front end will need to have the short stem, the rise base bar, and a single 60mm spacer and two 5mm spacers under the aerobars. You could do the medium but you’d have to use the TSP to bring the pads back and I think the small would be a better choice.
Ian
THANK YOU so much Ian,
Just noticed there was a typo on my side so my X is really 486 (Y stays the same 635). I don’t think it makes any difference but just in case… sorry about my mistake!
When it comes to the bar and having the 2019 model the spacers in the middle (not affecting the height as far as I know) what would be my advantage having them on my Set-up versus the flat one?..just trying to understand.
Your Pad Y of 596 and Pad X of 490 could work on all three sizes but we have to pass on the size Large because that Pad Y is the absolute lowest the bike will go (drop base bar, zero spacers) and you mentioned that you’d like the ability to perhaps go lower in the future.
Here’s the details for the Medium: Flat bar, short stem, a single 20mm spacer + a single 5mm spacer under the aerobars - and, the pads back all the way on the stock mounts (if for any reason you had to reduce your cockpit in the future you could employ the TSP). The result is a Pad Y of 595 (just 1mm off your number) and a Pad X of 489 (again, 1mm off).
The Small would look like this: Flat bar, short stem, two 20mm spacers + two 5mm spacers under the aerobars - and, the pads forward all the way. The result is Pad Y 595 (1mm off) and Pad X of 493 (3mm off).
You should do the Medium. I have two issues with the Small under you: 1) 50mm of aerobar pedestal creates a bigger gap between your arm pad level and your pursuit bar level - it’s just a ways to go to get to the brakes. You could do a Small with the rise base bar and only need 30mm of pedestal but I believe the bike comes with the flat bar so you’d have to purchase the rise bar to make the change. 2) I don’t know the Front Center measurement of the two bikes. The geometry chart online doesn’t list that element, but with some presumption and some basic subtraction I’m pretty sure the Front Center on the Medium is ~30mm longer and this would likely mean that you’ll enjoy the stable feeling of the Medium over the Small.