Obama's first big mistake - oil spill

Huge screw up for my guy. Worst natural disaster in American history, and it won’t be stopped for months. Even if this is BP’s problem, he should have the Navy, NASA, Hillary, etc every resource working to contain this thing. Frankly, a lot may be happening but it’s all irrelevant unless they stop this thing.

Wait until the first few hurricanes hamper the efforts…

This is definitely his Katrina

How is it his fault? Yes I am about to argue with you to defend your homosexual fantasy man. I want to know how this is Obama’s fault.

The oil spill is not his fault, neither is the lack of regulatory supervision (the regulators have been in bed with the industry for decades). However, the lack of hard core government ass kicking of BP, and the fact that we don’t have every government agency working on this thing is his fault. I know only the industry has the equipment and knowledge and experience to get this thing fixed, but hell we should have the navy fleet out there trying to figure this thing out with BP. The Coast Guard just doesn’t have what it takes to oversee the disaster.

What makes you think every resource is not already working on them? Not trying to stick up for BP or anyone involved but this one seems to be unprecedented and they are breaking new ground to fix it.

More evidence that YaHey is a righty posing as a lefty. He let his cover slip.

Breaking new ground to fix it? You mean all this time this could have happened and no one thought about preparing for it? Where are the disaster recovery plans?

Every once in a while something comes along that exceeds what you prepare for. Katrina, Three Mile Island, 9-11 come to mind.

I agree, this is unprecedented. But the impact on our environment is so big, that our government needs to throw absolutely everything at it. BP can pay for it later. They’re done.

Huge screw up for my guy. Worst natural disaster in American history, and it won’t be stopped for months. Even if this is BP’s problem, he should have the Navy, NASA, Hillary, etc every resource working to contain this thing. Frankly, a lot may be happening but it’s all irrelevant unless they stop this thing.

Wait until the first few hurricanes hamper the efforts…

This is definitely his Katrina.

I don’t think it’s gotten to Katrina-like proportions. Yet. What he personally could have done when the whole thing blew up a month ago I’m not exactly clear on, though. I agree that something more than a directive to “Just plug the damn hole” should have occurred but I haven’t found anybody yet who can say just what. We’re talking about trying to do something a mile down in the ocean, after all. Right now, I just want the problem fixed, not the blame. That can come much later down the road.

At least your consistent, you want government to take care of everything :slight_smile:

I’m with Tibbs, this is not governments mistake nor governments responsibility to clean up. It’s their job to enforce the laws that should make BP clean it up and repay any damages.

~Matt

What makes you think that everything that can be done is not being done? There is no reason to believe something is being left off the table. BP, who will get out of this mess stronger, knows that then have to shit this down. We have just pushed this market so hard and so fast that this kinda of thing is going to happen.

The unreal incredible mond boggling stupidity of modern government and business is on display. Yes I am calling CEOs and government officials stupid. If you are a CEO odds are you a really really dumb. Yes you the CEO reading this, I am calling you stupid to your face.

There really is a plan for this sort of thing.

http://www.epa.gov/oem/content/lawsregs/ncpover.htm

One of the reasons the Administration gets a dose of blame is that the plan was not put into effect as well . . . planned. There is every reason to fault BP and to hold it responsible for the costs of clean up and proximate damage. But. There are some things that government does better than private industry. Mobilizing big efforts is one of them.

The Administration is not to blame for the initial failure. The 60 Minutes segment on that aspect is fairly damning. Sen. Dodd, Speaker Pelosi and friends, including the President, trying to blame the culture of MMS on Bush and therefore the incident on him is also bullshit. The President’s political hack was in charge of MMS for more than a year and if early reports are to be believed, she loosened the reins even more than prior administrations.

Where the Administration did fail and why the affected Dems are starting to get on their case is in the response. Secretary Salazar having his “boot on the neck of BP” makes for some butch imagery but didn’t accomplish anything.

YaHey, don’t worry about this being the President’s Katrina, that was a function of the media and that will simply not occur in this case though the damages will far exceed Katrina’s.

He could have appointed somebody like Schwartzkof to take charge, kick ass, and keep everybody posted on what was going on. Right from jump street. This is embarrassing to me as an American. We are supposed to be able to solve problems but I guess we’re losing that part of our country too. A fuckin shame. This used to be a great country.

The natural disaster of this oil spill is unimaginable and will be with us for the next 50 years.

However, I think Katrina was a different type of disaster, 90% of the people that left NO have not returned, most of the city is still in shambles, and it cost billions.

Careful with the 50-year statement. The same thing was said about Prince William Sound and it is recovering far better and faster than all the experts said it would. I recall 30 and 50 year recovery statments being bandied about all those years ago. The NOAA’s studies show “recovery” is firest and foremost difficult to define due to the complex nature of an ecosystem since there are no conclusive studies of any entire system prior to an event, or in this case a spill.

We’re quick to judge a tragic event such as what’s going on with our eyes and assume the science will back up what we’re seeing as something horrific to the environment. And without a doubt, there are and will be continued effects felt by this oil for years to come, but to what effect and how long, no one knows. The Exxon Valdez spill has taught us this.

http://response.restoration.noaa.gov/topic_subtopic_entry.php?RECORD_KEY(entry_subtopic_topic)=entry_id,subtopic_id,topic_id&entry_id(entry_subtopic_topic)=256&subtopic_id(entry_subtopic_topic)=13&topic_id(entry_subtopic_topic)=1

Do they really have the knowledge and experience to get this thing fixed?
If it was true, wouldn’t that have been already done?

Fred.

Do they really have the knowledge and experience to get this thing fixed?
If it was true, wouldn’t that have been already done?

Fred.

I find it odd that deep water drilling like this is/was allowed without assurances of a disaster prevention or recovery plan. I would bet my next pay chack the first words out of many mouths was, “oh shit, now what?”

True, however in some cases a) there are some screwups b) question of risk management (usually link with money) and c) maybe plain stupidity (like Chevron Canada drilling one of the deepest offshore oil wells in the world off the coast of Newfoundland and Labrador about 3/4 mile deeper than the one in the Gulf of Mexico).

Fred.

It is bad business to think through operations or about problems that can happen. It costs money to plan ahead. Business is about incredibly short term gains and the future is meaningless. You can’t get ahead thinking through the process and having a good back up plan.

When speaking of underwater oil pipe blow out remediation I think the thing people are missing is that they had some plans as to what could be done in this situation. Unfortunately none of them have yet worked, even though these methods have been proven successful on land. Unfortunately it wasn’t possible to test these techniques under these conditions. Obviously somewhere at the BP people had given this some thought. Everyone saying “This is the best the governement, the US government can do” sound like Bruce Willis in Armagedeon.