How refreshing, let send more money out to the world so more abortions can be performed. The culture of dealth can be expanded, how the left must be dancing in the streets. Where was the press conference to annouce this executive order?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_abortion_ban
I guess “Hope”, “Change” 'Believe" does not apply to unborn babies. Well hell, fetuses can’t vote right?
Gonna be a long 8 years for you guys.
I am excited about this. Abortions are an excellent thing for societies to encourage in an overcrowded world. Fetuses are no more concious and self aware than many things we eat, and legislating that unwanted fetuses must become babies leads to a lot of children being raised poorly. last thing a society needs.
Counterpoint: I’m not sure it makes sense for the USA to fund clinics all over the world regardless.
+1. Let women worldwide have a choice.
Why don’t the men have a choice?
Why don’t the babies have a choice?
Do you really think this is just about womens rights? Pretty shallow and not what I expected from you. Women who have abortions pay for it emotionally for the rest of there lives; I have seen it in my own family, I have seen it in friends of mine. There is such a big price to pay to soiety because of the abortions, but I bet you have never really studied that side of the issue.
And if you think its so good, why don’t you and your ilk fund it out of your own pockets and don’t ask the US government to pay for it.
Yes, as a matter of fact I have. Several friends have had them with a wide range of impact but they all made the right decision for them at the time. Abortion in poor countries where they can’t afford to feed their own children and don’t have access to birth control is exactly the right thing to do. Women in these countries should not have to have another baby because they can’t afford birth control and abstanence isn’t really an option in a culture where men are in charge of the household. It is far more complex than “saving children”. What about saving the children already born? What about the value of the woman herself? These situations are completely different than what we face here in the US and I honestly believe our sense of right and wrong don’t always apply. It isn’t up to us to decide what is right for a woman in a third world country from the comfort of our suburban homes and SUVs.
I think the father should have a say as well.
I don’t the the baby should have a choice because it has a mind below the threshold that we should care about it. Its just meat. I don’t believe in souls or anything so its just meat to me, especially for the first 2 trimesters.
excuse me for speaking plainly, I don’t like sugarcoating things =)
with regard to the emotional pains of women who have abortions
That is the price of freedom, you are free to regret your decision, we as americans used to pride ourselves on taking on the responsbility, and detest the notion of governments being our nannies…sigh
How much of that emotional distress is due to certain religious groups constantly promoting the idea that every life is sacred and special as long as it isn’t islamic or maybe a terrorist?
Why don’t the men have a choice?
Why don’t the babies have a choice?
Do you really think this is just about womens rights? Pretty shallow and not what I expected from you. Women who have abortions pay for it emotionally for the rest of there lives; I have seen it in my own family, I have seen it in friends of mine. There is such a big price to pay to soiety because of the abortions, but I bet you have never really studied that side of the issue.
And if you think its so good, why don’t you and your ilk fund it out of your own pockets and don’t ask the US government to pay for it.
Yes, as a matter of fact I have. Several friends have had them …
You need to hang out with a better group of friends… All those baby killers you surround yourself with are clouding your judgement.
Jack,
No need to sugar coat anything with me…you have shared what you think, bravo. Of course you and I will disagree on everything but your #1 - we can agree on this point.
The next danger is going to come for older folks…once the budgets get even tighter and the deficits larger and healthcare more expensive - we will begin to not care for them either cause you know, they really aren’t a benefit to society, their minds are below a threshold that “we” should care about, just meat. They cost too much and have lived there life. They really are a drag for their own families and its certainly not fair to the children that are trying to live (Right Jen?)…its only the progression of the next step. Its a wonderful world we live in, so compassionate and giving.
And maybe you should extend your very narrow views to see there are people out there who deal with real life decisions.
Difference is that old people are fully realized human beings.
They are fully human as long as we can afford to care for them…hopefully when that day comes you and I will be on the same side of the issue.
jen,
getting knocked up = bad decision #1
killing the baby = bad decision #2
these people making real life decisions are not doing so well… are they?
Why don’t the babies have a choice?
Because many people do not believe that a fertilized egg is a baby. Of course, many people do. Nobody is changing their minds on this, they are two different viewpoints. There is a price to be paid for abortions as well as for unwanted/unsupportable children. The problem of unwanted pregnancy is especially acute in impoverished countries and family planning services are vital. The pro-life camp unwittingly increases the likelihood of unwanted pregnancies and surgical abortions by adamantly opposing all birth control except abstinence, blocking morning-after pills, and refusing to fund family-planning services. As a matter of policy (not morality) do you differentiate between an IUD, which may prevent implantation of a fertilized egg, and the surgical abortion of a 6-month old fetus?
Look, I just don’t want the Federal govt paying for abortions for anyone. There are enough people that feel passionate about the issue, Jen for example, that should put their money where their beliefs lie. This goes for our own country, I am not advocating us to overturn Roe vs Wade, I realize we live in a free country, so if you want an abortion, knock yourself out, just don’t ask for govt to pay for it.
As far as your question, if the IUD prevents prevents fertilization, then that is fine. The 6-month old fetus being aborted, is not fine.
Regardless of which side of the abortion debate you favor, I just don’t think this is the time to expand our giveaways to other countries, while we still have a shaky economy at home. So my opposition to this move by Obama is financial rather than any problem with the moralities.
FWIW, I think abortion should be safe, legal, and extremely rare. But that’s not real life, is it?
NOBAMA 2012. No way that the majority of Obama supporters still want him in a couple years. Things will be much worse off by then and not just because of the current administration.
Or were you talking 8 years until RE reached bottom?
**getting knocked up = bad decision #1 **
Your ignorance and black and white view of the world is sad.
I guess “Hope”, “Change” 'Believe" does not apply to unborn babies. Well hell, fetuses can’t vote right?
“you’re not a human being until you’re in the phone book”
Bill Hicks
What this change of policy does its it allows the US through foreign aid and other aid programs to once again fund family planning clinics in the poorest and most over populated parts of the world…parts of the world where tens of thousands of women are raped every year in tribal/military conflicts. The right to rape is seen as a spoil of war in many parts of Africa.
Ronald Reagan, remember him the guy that refused to acknowledge the existence of AIDS because of his “morals” instituted the warped policy that no US funds would go to organizations that provided abortions, even if those funds were used for other things such as sex education, contraception, or even orphanages for unwanted children.
Thank God its been tossed back in the dustbin…until such time as we elect another President with high falutin “morals”.