As I pointed out we know who did it, just like we did 9/11
**hopefully take steps to prevent anyone else from doing it. **
A bit like closing the barn door when the cows are out already isn’t it? Do it again? To what? If they pulled off the plan they were talking about in this interview there wouldn’t be much left here to bomb that would be important.
Your right it is a dumb idea but that leaves us with nothing.
As I pointed out we know who did it, just like we did 9/11
First of all, that’s nonsense. There’s no way to know, in our hypothetical situation, who did it, and especially where they got nukes.
Second of all, how about answeing vitus’ question?
As I pointed out we know who did it, just like we did 9/11
We don’t “know” who did it, especially since it’s a hypothetical question. I guess from the way the question is phrased, we “know” it’s the work of Muslim extremists. We’re assuming that it’s AQ, I guess.
But you didn’t answer my question- how do we “know” where they got their material?
**A bit like closing the barn door when the cows are out already isn’t it? Do it again? To what? **
To the remaining cities, I suppose. Unless you think AQ can manage to nuke every American city at the same time. That would be quite impressive organization.
Yes, of course it’s a bit like closing the barn door after the cows are out. Since the cities have already been nuked, *everything *you can do is a bit like closing the barn door after the cows are out, no?
Your right it is a dumb idea but that leaves us with nothing.
No, it doesn’t. That’s ridiculous. It leaves you with the ability to seek out and punish the people who committed the act, and the ability, maybe, of preventing further attacks. Or, it leaves you with the ability to blindly and unjustly nuke the holy city of one of the world’s major religions. Let’s see . . . what to do, what to do . . .
I must have missed that post. Where did they get it, and how do we know that?
I can go find the link if you want but there is an interview with a high ranking Al Queda member who describes buying them. The interview with Tancredo was done in followup to a interview with a guy (Paul Williams I believe) who wrote a book detailing this plot and scenario. I have not read the book, don’t think it is out yet actually. Anyway, they (al queda) have already described how they got them.
** (Not to mention, “How is that relevant”? since I’m pretty sure they didn’t get the nuke from Mecca.) **
I was responding to the comment we figure out who did it and with what nukes.
**What would you do? **
Well for starts I wouldn’t be doing the crap we are know. I would close the borders, I would put the military on the borders, I would deport any illegals I could find and work on prevention here. I would tell Saudi Arabia that we are serious and they need to do more. (after all if we get nuked the oil will not be worth so much) Assuming it is after the fact, I don’t know and Tancredo didn’t say this was what he would do either, he just said it is a direction we could take. Maybe we need to stop drawing such a thick black line between Muslims and extremists and Tancredo’s suggestion ties them together.
interview with a high ranking Al Queda member who describes buying them.
Oh, well, if a high ranking AQ member says he has a nuke, he must have one, alright. No chance he could be lying about that. No sir.
Tell me again who this high ranking AQ member bought the nukes from? And why aren’t we talking about nuking them in retaliation?
I would close the borders, I would put the military on the borders, I would deport any illegals I could find and work on prevention here. I would tell Saudi Arabia that we are serious and they need to do more.
I think that falls pretty squarely under my “take steps to prevent it from happening again” suggestion. Which is to say, I agree with you, but don’t you think it’s “a bit like closing the barn door after the cows are out”?
You are obviously a terrorist-loving homosexual Muslim.
Also: Probably French.
**We don’t “know” who did it, especially since it’s a hypothetical question. I guess from the way the question is phrased, we “know” it’s the work of Muslim extremists. We’re assuming that it’s AQ, I guess. **
But you didn’t answer my question- how do we “know” where they got their material?
Ok, let me put some context to the discussion and where I am coming from when I say we know who and how. This is based on a new book, the new book by former FBI agent discusses plans found on a laptop of captured al queda that describes a plan called American Heroshima. The plan details how it it to be done etc. This is what Tancredo was talking about, it was in follow up to a discussion about the book.
**To the remaining cities, I suppose. Unless you think AQ can manage to nuke every American city at the same time. That would be quite impressive organization. **
The plan called for, I believe he said, 7 major cities so not much left
**everything you can do is a bit like closing the barn door after the cows are out, no? yup
**No, it doesn’t. That’s ridiculous. It leaves you with the ability to seek out and punish the people who committed the act, and the ability, maybe, of preventing further attacks. ** . .
not sure how we well we could track them down if 5 to 7 major cities were nuked, we would be devestated and what little infastructure was left would be concerned with day to day living and getting through the attack. Again, I am not saying this is the only answer, just one to consider.
Or, it leaves you with the ability to blindly and unjustly nuke the holy city of one of the world’s major religions. Let’s see . . . what to do, what to do .
Some people might argue that since it was the religion that fueled the attack it would not be unjust and I would be willing to bet people would.
Vitus you are wearing me out 
I admit to being at a disadvantage because I haven’t read the book yet. Again, this is all based on the book and the documentation is there. They bought them from former soviet state as I understand.
As for the borders I meant I would have already done that but I think you agree with me there. I am super frustrated we haven’t taken those steps already, like before 9/11 or at least on 9/12
A word of wisdom if I may: listening to Michael Savage is fine. Believing what he spews out is anyone’s right. Repeating it as if it were factual is plain idiotic. Certainly you have a thought of your own mixed in there somewhere? Your talking points thus far have (contextually) been taken directly out of his shows this past week. Or, in your case, weak.
OK, I agree with you about the borders- they should be much better protected RIGHT NOW than they are. But nobody in power is serious about doing that, least of all Bush.
I don’t think we know that AQ has any nukes. In fact, I think the working assumption right now is that although they would love to get one, they haven’t been able to, or they would have used it already. Is it believable that they’re holding on to one as a “deterrent”?
If they have one, I don’t think we know where they got it.
If we know where they got it, and they actually use it (or them, as the case may be) wouldn’t the semi-logical response be to nuke *that *country? If some former Soviet state sold some great big bombs to AQ, why didn’t Tancredo mention anything about dropping the hammer on that former Soviet state?
What Tancredo proposed in the interview is nothing more than terrorism itself, 5280. He’s holding a nuclear gun against the head of a third party, and giving AQ an ultimatum. “If you bomb us, your religion gets it.”
**Also: Probably French. **
You know those are fightin’ words, right?
Talk about a great way to make a horrible situation 10 times worse. Not only does it try to punish a billion peaceful Muslims that have nothing to do with the attack, but helps to create a unified group of probably a few billion who will quickly become enemies of the United States. In addition, it would be pretty much guaranteed that just about every nation that we ever had an alliance would turn against us as well. You are right…we should elect a genius with this sort of great foreign policy. At that point you no longer have a handful of wackos but a great deal of recognized countries throughout the world and an entire religion who will now be gunning for Americans. Even as a flippant remark, it is startlingly short-sighted.
Really, all I know is that any comment that makes me agree with Klehner and adamb has got to be just plain crazy.
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Really, all I know is that any comment that makes me agree with Klehner and adamb has got to be just plain crazy.
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True, and vitus and I agree. I wonder how sloguy feels about it 
The idea of nuking Mecca is stupid and useless. A point that it makes that I think is important is that we get comfortable with the fact we are fighting a relegion. We won’t admit it but we are.
we’re fighting a bunch of loons that happen to be of a particular religion. we aren’t fighting a religion.
We are not fighting the religion that is true but our enemy is funded and hidden by a specific religion. It is the responsability for the members of that faith to stop the funding and flush the evil ones out. Also we going to have to get uncomfortable to beat these guys back.
Really, all I know is that any comment that makes me agree with Klehner and adamb has got to be just plain crazy.
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Hey, I resemble that remark!
First you aren’t adding anything to the discussion. Second, if you would like to rephrase you post in the form of a question I would be happy to tell you I don’t listen to Michael Savage.
I will leave it at that since your post just makes me angry. I am by no means an expert on this. I am simply trying to point out that this conversation was based on a book and the theories in the book, not just some random thought form Tancredo. Since you are obviously listenint to Mr savage I will let you return to your program.
I don’t disagree with you Vitus. As for the Nuke my thoughts are this. From what I have heard (no education in this at all) it would be hard to maintain a nuke for this long. They need constant maintenance and upkeep to keep them viable so the overhead in keeping a device is very high but I just don’t fell like ignoring their warning. If I am a teller at a bank and a guy walks in and says I have a gun so give me all your money then I am going to take his word for it. I think we should take the threat seriously and not underestimate the willingness or capability.
I think that striking back at a soviet republic has no value. The terrorists don’t care about the former Soviet Union, the threat is about threatening what they hold important.
Vitus, if you haven’t go find the audio of the exchange and I think you will see it was a hypothetical statement about a hypothetical attack. I understand why people don’t like it but it is important people don’t twist this into “Tancredo said we should nuke Mecca”