let’s put the focus where it belongs.
is there a story here I’m unaware of?
yes. ask a journalist, if you can find one around here.
I’ll try and gen up the required amount of outrage if you post some background info. What did they do, reinstate all of Lance’s wins or something?
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does this have to do with the fondo he is to ride this weekend with Hincapie ?
nah, just the usual. It irks me that people go ape over somebody racing a GF when there are current active members of USAC and trade teams that were also involved in said somebody’s banning, and that the guy seeking the ban, while doing the right thing in that moment, has mucked the whole thing up in the big picture and lost credibility.
did you ever see that social network link diagram I posted during all the LA donnybrooks and hullabaloo here on ST back in 2012?
one small tidbit - here’s a quote from VN:
“In March, (USAC CEO) Johnson fell under scrutiny after the publication of Juliet Macur’s book, “Cycle of Lies,” in which former U.S. Postal rider David Zabriskie said that he told Johnson of the Postal team’s drug usage shortly after Frankie Andreu’s admission of PED use in 2006.
Johnson denied the allegation, telling VeloNews that he had learned for the first time of Zabriskie’s allegations in an excerpt from Macur’s book, “published without her ever having contacted me regarding these claims.” Both Macur and Zabriskie disputed Johnson’s version of events.”
is Tygart or USAC CEO Johnson riding a Fondo?
no , LA and others are though.
Here is the link (I thought maybe you were referencing this):
you’re right, I am referencing that, but I’m trying not to. I’m being snarky to draw attention to the issues that really matter and that are still unresolved/unknown that cropped up during the whole LA debacle… ie. what the actual f*ck is going/went on at USAC and with Tygart.
I’m also trying to draw attention to the fact, through my ommission of the Fondo riders, that people write about them over and over for the clicks,
More intrigued that George and LA are still friends. I thought/was told George was one of the ‘damning’ witnesses.
Ask Greg Anderson how it goes for refusing to testify before a grand jury.
Think it would be “riding” not “racing” as it’s a non-competitive event.
But to your point, over time I’ve come around to what I think you’re getting at. There are those who have been caught and those who haven’t (yet), but still a lot of rotten apples hanging on the tree. And they’re not just riders.
eric, maybe i’m just dehydrated, but it seems you are being a bit vague. are you upset that lance would be riding in a gran fondo? as for it being against the rules of his lifetime ban, what can USAC really do, give him a ban for 2 lifetimes? either way, they’ll probably drop the ban after 8 years.
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OK, I’ll check that off the list of things you are potentially upset about.
I’m not typically a grammar-nazi because I invariably make mistakes as well, but there is something ironic about misspelling incompetence when you are describing someone to be just that.
Did Timmy fall down the well Lassie? Is that what’s wrong?
no , LA and others are though.
Here is the link (I thought maybe you were referencing this):
Sounds like a nice dopers reunion going on. Tejay Van Garderen a big time doping apologist with his quotes.
What I find unfortunate for today’s guys like Tejay is they have to deal with fans like you, who label him an apologist because he expressed understanding for the past generation’s indiscretions. That’s really a unique interpretation, basically he doesn’t express a degree of outrage that some deem necessary, so clearly he’s advocating for the past.
There’s irony in that most of the younger pro’s opinions, who have to deal with those questions, expressed similar sentiment. Yet some fans are still boiling over with anger.
Yet some fans are still boiling over with anger.
and this is the crux of my post.
If you’re going to boil over, boil over at the right people, and boil over at a part of the story that still hasn’t been told. At this point ranting about what the riders are doing/did is pointless, and is basically just click bait from weak sites like VN, ESPN, and others.
I’d rather see some critical thinking about the bigger players… Tygart/USADA, Och, Weisel, USAC, Tailwind, Oakley, Nike, Trek, etc.
I realize this is a big ask, tilting at windmills, especially based on this small brouhaha of a Fondo that only involves Tygart and USAC, but still.
What I find unfortunate for today’s guys like Tejay is they have to deal with fans like you, who label him an apologist because he expressed understanding for the past generation’s indiscretions. That’s really a unique interpretation, basically he doesn’t express a degree of outrage that some deem necessary, so clearly he’s advocating for the past.
There’s irony in that most of the younger pro’s opinions, who have to deal with those questions, expressed similar sentiment. Yet some fans are still boiling over with anger.
If I were in their shoes with the exact same pressures, etc., I would easily see that I may have done the same thing. Anyone who can say with 100% certainty they would not have are
just, well, …