http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070621/ap_on_re_au_an/australia_aborigines
Australia is apparently going to ban alcohol and pornography for some Aboriginies.
I bet that will get Kangaroo up in arms. 
Happen to be in AS atm working with some of their fellows on some stuff to get ready for OIF/OEF. There are some heart wrenching conditions among their aboriginal peoples; as well as between their aboriginal peoples and ‘western’ immigrant/convict peoples (a little sarcasm intended). Pornography and alcohol exacerbate these conditions greatly. Don’t know if banning the catalyst will help but in some locals it is very bad over here–and has been for some time as their government studies going back decades have shown. Very bleak conditions amongst their aboriginal peoples, and in their self-governing areas–despite billions spent on well meaning efforts to raise their standards of living and provide them viable livelihoods (hope). Very similar to problems we have on many of our american indian reservations.
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I don’t doubt that there are problems. What’s bothersome is, as one of the Aboriginal leaders says, the paternalistic attitude it shows. Australia still shoulders the White Man’s Burden, I guess, and the Aboriginies are children, to be treated as such.
But heck, I don’t know why we can’t adopt the same approach here. You’ve seen some of the conditions in our inner cities, no doubt. Those darkies can’t be trusted to behave any more responsibly than the Australian natives.
Of course, it probably won’t be long before someone brings up all the social problems that us whitebread types inflict on ourselves, and accuse us of hypocrisy, but that’s just because they’re not sophisticated enough to see the big picture.
Fetus is batting nil from 13530 posts. Quite a record. Unfailingly predictable in presenting a perverse perspective on any issue.
You might have thought this was a good chance to get one right. After all, its an initiative by a CONSERVATIVE government, yet given strong bi-partisan support.
How did the Fetus manage to be wrong, yet again? That’s simple, when you know his form. The initiative is designed to address an identified crisis of child abuse and molestation in disadvantaged communities. In a large number of communities audited, not a single child is believed to have escaped sexual abuse.
Fetus has repeatedly and passionately defended paedophilia in the past, and by the most sinister and disingenuous means he continues to do so at any opportunity. Don’t be fooled by his apparent lapse into liberalism. This is nothing more than his latest stand of many on the side of child molesters.
PM Howard has acknowledged his misgivings about the severity of these measures, but has said, essentially, that there are circumstances in which some rights are more eminent than others:
"We are dealing with children of the tenderest age who have been exposed to the most terrible abuse from the time of their birth, virtually.
Any resemblance of maintaining the innocence of childhood is a myth in so many of these communities and we feel very strongly that action of this kind is needed.
It is interventionist, it does push aside the role of the territory to some degree - I accept that. But what matters more, the constitutional niceties or the care and protection of young children? We believe the latter is overwhelmingly more important.‘’
It’s an argument that has the support of the majority of Australians, from both sides of the political spectrum. Who would argue against putting the care and protection of young children first? Well, Fetus the kiddy-fiddler, for one.
(And yes, the measures are being extended to the wider community, even the white folks. BTW, the US has long had measures with a similar intent. Many welfare recipients receive ‘food stamps’, or their modern equivalent. They do not have unfettered scope to spend their taxpayer funded welfare on drugs and alcohol, at the expense of feeding their children. There’s some sense in that.)
You are coming to a sad realisation Fetus. Spit or swallow. Just leave the kids alone, already.
Fetus
“Fetus”? What’s with the spelling? Where’s the “o”? You’re not going all Americanized on me, are you? It was more clever with the faux-British affectation.
the measures are being extended to the wider community, even the white folks.
Source? If so, that would be less objectionable. The article I read, and linked to, didn’t mention that.
"But what matters more, the constitutional niceties or the care and protection of young children? We believe the latter is overwhelmingly more important.‘’
Yikes.
Good to know that alcohol doesn’t fuel these same issues outside of the Aboriginal population, though. Must have something to do with their smaller brains.
What the hell are you talking about? It was like reading one of my posts.
It’s amazing they can make laws that only pertain to one ethnic group there. Can you imagine the outrage in the US if we decided our natives were no longer allowed dirty mags and booze?
The Aussie response “Yeah but we don’t have Bush as president.”
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Are they *that *conservative down under?
What the hell are you talking about?
Fetus’ vile ongoing defence of paedophilia. Is he upset at the thought of access to booze and porn being curtailed? No. His abiding interest is to protect the access of child molesters to victims. He has a long history on it.
It was like reading one of my posts.
That wasn’t called for.
It's amazing they can make laws that only pertain to one ethnic group there.
Well,strangely enough to some extent they can - ‘Aboriginal Affairs’ is a Federal power under the Constitution. However, that is NOT what they are doing. The bit about grog and porn is a proposal to restrict these in certain places where a large number of victimised children live. Largely this will be on Aboriginal land, and will only be able to be done by the Aboriginal owners themselves, not the government. Any adult will still be able to buy alcohol in any licenced bar or outlet.
The important initiatives are not about that anyway - they are about increased policing, increased health care and social workers, and extension of the concept of ‘mutual responsibility’ for welfare ie if a child (black, white, purple) is identified as neglected or at risk, welfare payments will be conditional on child health checks and school attendance, and some of the payment might be ‘quarantined’ for food etc.
There is an additional proposal to abandon or reduce the availability of ‘customary law’ (traditional or tribal aboriginal law). There was some outrage recently when a 50 year old Aboriginal defendant invoked customary law in defence of a charge that he had anally raped a 15 year old girl. She had been ‘promised’ to him as a bride. His sentence was reduced from 13 months (!) down to 24 hours(!!!). I’m strongly in favour of protecting and respecting native traditions and culture until the point where children are at risk.
There are a raft of further measures and proposals, but they don’t make great headlines, and aren’t as easy for the cretins to demean.
There are many countries dealing with similar issues, and not just post-colonial countries like the USA and Australia. There are displaced and dispossessed ethnic minorities across Europe, Africa and parts of Asia. I don’t know of any country that gets it “right”. FWIW, when I studied it in better detail (20 years ago) the indicators for the USA were somewhat worse than here. Canada was seen as mildly better (which is not saying a lot).
Steve Hawley’s summation is pretty accurate. The problems have endured for decades, and have not been greatly alleviated via land rights nor the well-meaning application of billions of dollars. We now have stark evidence that children are being abused on a scale unseen outside of Catholic care. Extreme measures might be required.
If Vitus is “Fetus” then I guess you shall forever be “Boner.”
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I really do like “Foetus” so much better. Adds just the right touch of class, and is suggestive of multiple meanings. You know, if you’re taking requests.
Largely this will be on Aboriginal land, and will only be able to be done by the Aboriginal owners themselves, not the government.
I am sure you have sources for this, and it would be nice if you would link to them. Because again, this isn’t the impression the article I linked to gave. What do you mean by “it will only be able to be done by the Aboriginal owners themselves, not the government”?
As for not making laws that pertain to only one ethnic group . . . I realize intellectual honesty is not your strong suit, but please. I think that would be essentially like saying that we’re making laws that pertain only to Indian reservations, but it isn’t targeting Indians, because the laws would apply to anyone on the reservation.
The important initiatives are not about that anyway
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If the initiatives barring Aboriginies from alcohol and pornography aren’t that important, I don’t know what you’re so worked up about. Sheesh. (And how come you keep ignoring the pornography ban? I suppose you support that as well. I wonder where all the outrage over that is- everyone knows pornography doesn’t lead to violence, right?
I’m not going to indulge your fantasy that you matter.
You have the capacity, but clearly not the will, to be properly informed on this as much as any other issue.
You exhibit, always, an autistically stubborn refusal to do so. You’ll happily spend 14 hours a day on this forum stuttering the same inane and perverse views. You’ll do it without end. To the extent that it keeps you away from vulnerable children that is a good thing, but normal people don’t have the time or inclination.
Nice ironic reference to intellectual honesty, from one with no intellect, no honesty.
And again, your autism might explain many things, and excuse fewer, but it does not excuse paedophilia. You are very sick. Get some help.
No source, and I guess you’re not going to accomodate me and return to addressing me as “Foetus.”
Bummer. Especially on your failure to provide a source for your claims. Oh well.
You have the capacity, but clearly not the will, to be properly informed on this as much as any other issue.
There’s your source. As on any post, you only feign an interest in the facts. They are easily available. I’m not making “claims”. I’m informed on a topic of genuine concern to me. That’s different from you in at least two ways.
You are way too accustomed to your mother or your nurse wiping your arse. Go do something for yourself, (as) if you care.
Here’s a bold prediction. You won’t. You’ll make smarmy, supercilious comments instead.
Imagine if you had to hold down a real job, or care for a family. I’m being rhetorical of course. Holding a job, caring for a family and using imagination are three things of which you are incapable. Nearly 14000 posts, and you have nothing meaningful to say…stutter…stutter…
** you only feign an interest in the facts. They are easily available. I’m not making “claims”.**
Yes, Bony, you are making claims. I figger you can probably back them up, seeing as how you live over there, and it shouldn’t be that hard for you to do so, seeing as how the claims you’re making indicate some sort of familiarity with the issue. I posted my link, you claim to have knowledge to the contrary. Fine. The standard procedure here is for you to post your sources that contradict mine.
What I’m thinking is that, in your typical fashion, you’re playing fast and loose with the facts and the truth, and that’s why you won’t post your sources. I am thinking that the link I posted is essentially correct insofar as the facts go, and it is, in fact, true that you good folks in Oz have decided that the natives aren’t any more trustworthy than children, and you’re going to treat them as such.
Prove me wrong.
The Aussie response “Yeah but we don’t have Bush as president.”
They call John Howard “Bonsai” as in “a little bush”
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Prove me wrong.
Sure. But I’ll come to that. Thanks for proving me right, anyway. As if you wouldn’t. Your autism is a real straightjacket isn’t it? Stutter…stutter… You really can’t do anything else. You are as predictable as you are banal.
The standard procedure here…
We know exactly what your standard procedure is.
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at any suggestion that paedophilia is being targeted you suffer an anxiety attack and lash out at the messenger and the message. It’s pleasing that you are afraid. You will eventually be caught and punished. Paedophiles like you are often cunning, but that doesn’t mean they are not stupid.
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you read a paragraph from your limited, censored reading list and decide that you have instant and unimpeachable expertise. You extrapolate from this to make absurd and asinine comments. When further and better particulars are pointed out to you, you thick-headedly refuse to acknowledge them, preferring to call the author a liar. You are then delighted to stutter…stutter…stutter repeat your nonsensical views believing that being stubbornly wrong 100 times is a perfect substitute for being right. 40, 50, 60 posts, you don’t care. After all, once you’ve jerked off to your kiddy porn you have nothing else (nothing else) to do with the rest of your day. People with real lives bore of that quickly, and move on. You probably believe that to be some kind of victory.
As I have said, it would be trivially simple for you to be properly informed. That’s not what you want. You want to provoke a contest where you can prove that you can bang your head against a wall for longer than anyone could possibly be interested to watch.
Still, I’m happy to provide the information that your various handicaps prevent you from finding for yourself, on two simple and reasonable conditions.
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You need to prove me wrong, and demonstrate your bona fides. Out of your nearly 14,000 posts (your priest would be so proud, he probably thought you’d never achieve anything, after he finished with you) show me, say, 14 examples (a mere one tenth of one percent of your posts) where you have graciously acknowledged that you were wrong when another poster has pointed out your error. If you struggle with that, I’ll give you half a point for each time you can show that you respectfully acknowledged a conflicting point of view, even though you were unwilling to abandon your own.
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When I post the links that prove you wrong, you agree to apologise for your entirely baseless accusation that I have been untruthful.
You are coming to a sad realisation Pedo-boy. Time to spit or swallow. I figger you won’t, can’t. You’ll squirm in your straightjacket and stutter…stutter…stutter…
Prove me right.