Based on what I could see, I’d say he was carrying at least 10lbs more at that marathon than he was for his Ironman. He probably talks about his weight on his videos, but I haven’t followed it that well.
This is where you and I will continue to butt heads. Finishing an Ironman when prepared correctly is “easy”. Especially for someone who did enough to turn professional for a small part of his triathlon career. But for the vast majority of Triathletes, finishing Sub 12 is impressive.
I know. This isn’t the first time I’ve said this. Once every few years for the last 12 years, and people get uncomfortable every time. People wrap their entire identities into believing that finishing and Ironman is a thing in which their entire self esteem hangs in the balance, but it’s not and it shouldn’t.
Now, onto Bare and his athletic background. For everyone else that doesn’t seem to have an idea. If you’re in the Army and you’re in combat arms, you run a metric fuck ton.
Exactly. And he’s like 25! Prime of his athletic life.
Now, the mileage isn’t Marathoner level, but when I was a Recon PL my platoon ran 20+ miles per week. So then you do all of that for four years straight at varying levels.
Depending on the command climate and his own interests he might have even run from 15 to 30 miles per week for 8 years, including cadet time.
Then before he ever thought to do this Ironman Challenge, which based on his whole business aspect stuff this was just content for his youtube channel to help drive his bottom line (which is certainly ok). But I’d be surprised if he continues to do endurance stuff, although that I’d like to see because the lifestyle youtuber bullshit that permeates that portion of the internet is dumb.
Agreed. But the base was still there. And he lived an athlete’s lifestyle
But before the Ironman stuff he spent 6-8 months of doing serious run training building up to a marathon. Had to change up his overall physique and drop weight. But he still maintained significant mass (yet I’d say he looks more like he did when he was on active duty)…which I also found impressive considering the time he put down.
I dabbled in bodybuilding once… got to 195lbs and then ran a 3:12 marathon, on probably a similar training schedule to this guy. Weight adjusted it’s probably my best result ever. I’m sure all of my bodybuilding/running peers in the Army could have done similar. 6-8 months of training for a marathon is a long time, or rather a lot of low hanging fruit can be gained for a newb like him.
Riiiiigggghhhttt - any 25-30 yr old dude running 30 mpw for a short period of time and who wasn’t doing serious endurance sports beforehand, can run a 3:12 marathon.
You can believe what you want, but I doubt even the Dixon, Sutto, or even Salazar could even approach half those results given those limitations.
Pretty cool result.
But I don’t like the message he’s trying to deliver with this whole project.
To become a lifelong endurance athlete is a worthy goal. It’s a huge self-actualization project and fun at the same time.
To complete an endurance challenge without proper training is not the same as become a lifelong endurance athlete. It’s wrong and a bit stupid.
It reminds me of all charity Boston runners who have just started doing their runs on Washington street in Newton preparing for the next year. Many of them spend 6 month preparing for a marathon, finish it, have a horrible 5-6 hours and don’t ever do any endurance sport after that.
Riiiiigggghhhttt - any 25-30 yr old dude running 30 mpw for a short period of time and who wasn’t doing serious endurance sports beforehand, can run a 3:12 marathon.
You can believe what you want, but I doubt even the Dixon, Sutto, or even Salazar could even approach half those results given those limitations.
you keep focusing on coaching… why? Also, if you’re referring to the OP guy, 8 years of running isn’t that short of a time.
I’m not the only one who feels this way. Back during the first running boom, influential people thought every American male who put the work in should be able to run a sub-3 marathon.
As for me, I had a) the same running background for the OP, b) followed a 20 week program from the internet (no coach!!!) for the first time ever, and c) had a relatively high VO2, which I bet is similar to the OP guy with his mile time at his weight. That said, 3:12 is horribly slow for someone with my genetics. I suck at running in other ways I guess.
This is where you and I will continue to butt heads. Finishing an Ironman when prepared correctly is “easy”. Especially for someone who did enough to turn professional for a small part of his triathlon career. But for the vast majority of Triathletes, finishing Sub 12 is impressive.
Now, onto Bare and his athletic background. For everyone else that doesn’t seem to have an idea. If you’re in the Army and you’re in combat arms, you run a metric fuck ton. Now, the mileage isn’t Marathoner level, but when I was a Recon PL my platoon ran 20+ miles per week. So then you do all of that for four years straight at varying levels. Then before he ever thought to do this Ironman Challenge, which based on his whole business aspect stuff this was just content for his youtube channel to help drive his bottom line (which is certainly ok). But I’d be surprised if he continues to do endurance stuff, although that I’d like to see because the lifestyle youtuber bullshit that permeates that portion of the internet is dumb.
But before the Ironman stuff he spent 6-8 months of doing serious run training building up to a marathon. Had to change up his overall physique and drop weight. But he still maintained significant mass (yet I’d say he looks more like he did when he was on active duty)…which I also found impressive considering the time he put down.
Good info, thx.
I would still say that he had a great result for 1 year of training if all that marathon training he put in (I don’t know how seriously he did it though) only got him a 4hrish marathon - even WITH all that ranger running background.
To run your IM marathon nearly as fast as your open marathon time in your first IM is almost unbelievable unless you were totally sandbagging on your open marathon.
He’s run a couple marathons.
I believe he was 225 for the marathon and 195 for the triathlon
Approx 2 seconds/mile/lb = roughly 25 minutes
Riiiiigggghhhttt - any 25-30 yr old dude running 30 mpw for a short period of time and who wasn’t doing serious endurance sports beforehand, can run a 3:12 marathon.
You can believe what you want, but I doubt even the Dixon, Sutto, or even Salazar could even approach half those results given those limitations.
you keep focusing on coaching… why? Also, if you’re referring to the OP guy, 8 years of running isn’t that short of a time.
I’m not the only one who feels this way. Back during the first running boom, influential people thought every American male who put the work in should be able to run a sub-3 marathon.
As for me, I had a) the same running background for the OP, b) followed a 20 week program from the internet (no coach!!!) for the first time ever, and c) had a relatively high VO2, which I bet is similar to the OP guy with his mile time at his weight. That said, 3:12 is horribly slow for someone with my genetics. I suck at running in other ways I guess.
I think you need to recalibrate your sense of what ‘average’ is.
Your statement gives it away - if 3:12 is horribly slow for someone with your genetics (entirely possible, it IS horribly slow for most pro triathletes with pro genetics!), your sense of what ‘average male’ is will be hugely skewed given how easy it is for someone like you to hit those paces.
And that’s where coaching comes in. It makes you put your money where your mouth is. Any n=1 moderately gifted runner could run a sub 3 marathon on not much training and say it’s easy, anyone can do it like me. Zero of such people can successfully coach a group of 25 random young men with limited endurance background to ALL run sub3 marathons on 30ish mpw. It’s a lot different if you’re dealing with someone else’s genetics, and not your own, and much more of a reality check on how broadly your ideas work for everyone else.
And that’s where coaching comes in. It makes you put your money where your mouth is. Any n=1 moderately gifted runner could run a sub 3 marathon on not much training and say it’s easy, anyone can do it like me. Zero of such people can successfully coach a group of 25 random young men with limited endurance background to ALL run sub3 marathons on 30ish mpw. It’s a lot different if you’re dealing with someone else’s genetics, and not your own, and much more of a reality check on how broadly your ideas work for everyone else.
Solid point.
Riiiiigggghhhttt - any 25-30 yr old dude running 30 mpw for a short period of time and who wasn’t doing serious endurance sports beforehand, can run a 3:12 marathon.
You can believe what you want, but I doubt even the Dixon, Sutto, or even Salazar could even approach half those results given those limitations.
Uh, for four years he ran a minimum of 20 miles per week. At a fast pace. Only since he got out did he limit how much running he did because “cardio is bad for gainz”.
I had a 200lb friend with NO endurance background race IM WI with 14 total months of training and two triathlons under his belt (sprint, HIM) and he went 11:06.
I raced the same year at 199lbs and my second full year of training in tris (ran high school XC) and went 10:38. I have to agree with Eric, especially given the course at FL.
Eric may be taking liberties with the word “easy” if you really want to nitpick, but your perspective on this subject is badly skewed. You might consider not projecting your own inabilities to a larger population of athletes. You have no clue. None.
Belief:
- That many, many people could have gone faster with higher BMI’s and less time training.
- That this is true for most FOP AG triathletes and for all pros.
- That better than mediocre athleticism is not, in itself, worthy of much thought.
Questions:
- So what makes this guy noteworthy?
A) Disabilities:
I) Bodybuilding- is this an indication of below average athleticism?
“Fast for a bodybuilder…”
Is that like “fast for an old guy?”
Is this like being old, fat or disabled?
II) Self absorbed- is making videos and talking about your awesome health regime an indication of limited athleticism?
Is this guy “fast for a self absorbed fitness guru?”
III) Army (something or other)- is this an indication of a disability?
Is “fast for ex-elite Army” a thing?
B) Does he have some unique insight into the activity?
I missed this.
C) Does he have some special way of integrating the activity into his life or society at large?
Comment:
There should be more to talk about than athleticism, hard work, training, and the achievements of people who overcome obvious disabilities.
Still, this guy doesn’t do much for me.
The answer to your questions I guess. He’s a former infantry officer that is a fitness influencer/entrepreneur. That is the best way to describe him. He used his personality to start a supplement brand named Bare Performance Nutrition. Has a youtube following of 300k and instagram following of 160k.
That’s pretty much it.
As I stated above, I doubt he becomes a lifelong triathlete and that this was just content for his business.
The answer to your questions I guess. He’s a former infantry officer that is a fitness influencer/entrepreneur. That is the best way to describe him. He used his personality to start a supplement brand named Bare Performance Nutrition. Has a youtube following of 300k and instagram following of 160k.
That’s pretty much it.
As I stated above, I doubt he becomes a lifelong triathlete and that this was just content for his business.
So to summarize:
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This guy is less talented than me and most long term ST posters?
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This guy didn’t train much and didn’t overcome any noteworthy difficulties?
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He doesn’t have any particularly interesting philosophical observations?
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He is wasn’t particularly fast?
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He is not especially committed to the sports?
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But he does have some commercial interests that he is trying to hock?
Eric may be taking liberties with the word “easy” if you really want to nitpick, but your perspective on this subject is badly skewed. You might consider not projecting your own inabilities to a larger population of athletes. You have no clue. None.
Ok, feel free to enlighten me and clue me in on what I’m missing!
Dude ran a 5:3x all-out mile a few weeks ago at 200+ lbs bodyweight on the track, it’s on youtube.
He does look awfully superbuff to me though, having lifted quite a lot myself, I do wonder if there is physiological x-over and that’s ALL I’m going to say about that!
He did sound like he trained legit for the IM, but yeah, that’s a heckuva a 1st try.
Looking at pics of him on the net there is no doubt he is chemically enhanced…
Why don’t you follow his history on YouTube before you bash him for steroids…cmon man you’d be surprised what people can attain aesthetically when bodybuilding and lifting consistently for 10 years. Don’t be jealous
I don’t care what his history is, as someone who has been involved in BB for many years I have a pretty good idea of what natural looks like.
Yeah he doesn’t look natty.
https://www.reddit.com/...ms_he_is_ex_us_army/
I agree, I’m 48 years old 195 lbs and could easily break 12hr at IM Florida. And that’s with two flat tires and really hungover.
and all that bodyweight
People in here talking like he’s 300lb, lol. He’s like 35lb more than I am, and I’m skinny, and he’s jacked.
Good for him. I bet he single handedly got hundreds or thousand of people to say, “Damn, maybe I could do a triathlon,” and that’s good for all of us. Dude’s fit, worked hard, and got results.
Eric may be taking liberties with the word “easy” if you really want to nitpick, but your perspective on this subject is badly skewed. You might consider not projecting your own inabilities to a larger population of athletes. You have no clue. None.
Ok, feel free to enlighten me and clue me in on what I’m missing!
You have no idea what it takes (and doesn’t) to finish an IM sub 12, specifically 2019 IMFL in the day’s conditions. You ascribe genetics to athletic failures to perform at performance levels well below where it’s a significant factor, much less a determining factor.
1:30 swim. 6:00 bike. 4:15 run. Nothing remarkable about any of those either separately or when done in succession. Think you can change clothes twice in less than a combined 15 minutes? There’s your sub 12. The reason more athletes don’t pull it off is not lack of ability but poor execution in both training and on race day.
Ask yourself this question. All that advice you’ve been throwing around in swimming and running threads on this forum over the years…how’s it playing out in your own race results?
The answer to your questions I guess. He’s a former infantry officer…
I’m in a weird vortex right now where I see that forum members don’t realize how fit Army officers tend to be and also remembering how Army officers didn’t realize how unfit they were compared to even average runners, some of whom are forum members.