Those who I know with hydration systems like the speedmax ands works shiv mostly keep them for races and just use standard bottles for races. A bit like using a disc wheel. Time and place for it.
I think if the go with a wider downtime that reduces the drag created by standard bottles then that would be a good move.
However simply slapping disc breaks on in and tripling the cost to purchase I think is a horrible way to go
So adding a bladder makes it worth $13k??
Nope. I don’t think any of these crazy prices we are now seeing with bikes is justifiable.
I hope trek keep the speed concept affordable and if not keep the rim model they have as an option because the way things are going it’s going to continue to squeeze out people from getting into the sport.
At least it will be the first SC where the brakes actually work.
The brakes on the speed concept I used for 3 years were great. Easy to adjust and stopping power was good
My experience too. Maybe ppl were using narrow wheels and didn’t adjust brakes. Mine has been fine.
I so agree with the poster about the bladder being an unnecessary PIA. I’d rather a bike not have one. Using a BTA and BTS solves all of that. Plus, I wonder about internal leaking or condensation dripping on the BB or messing with the wires.
Yeah I think the rim brakes are pretty good especially for a TT bike.
I also use a BTA bottle.
I am curious how big the bottle is that they have designed for bike (BTBB)
Biggest question/concerns for most will be price and availability
Agreed. I just bought my sc last December, so no need to upgrade. I do have a disc road bike, but love the simplicity of rim brakes.
I doubt the bike will be under 5. Likely 7 mid level option. Too much for me
Agreed. I just bought my sc last December, so no need to upgrade. I do have a disc road bike, but love the simplicity of rim brakes.
I doubt the bike will be under 5. Likely 7 mid level option. Too much for me
They might go with OCLV500 with Ultegra di2 as the one model and the rest as a project 1.
Considering Canyon start their CF speedmax at 8k I could see Trek starting well in excess of that price point.
The specialized Shiv starts at 9k with the sworks with Dura-Ace at 13.5k.
My guess is we are looking at least double the price of the current rim model.
I hope I’m wrong.
So I look at this bike and seeing that Canyon and Scott have integrated a bladder into their downtube. Trek increased the size of the top tube massively and didn’t integrate a hydration tank, why not? So strange.
Are there close up pics I’m missing? Any better pics than the 2 of the sponsored athletes?
I have been told there is a top tube storage like on the canyon and a down tube storage for spares like on the specialised shiv.
Hydration they are going with a bottom bracket aero bottle that site between seat post and down tube
I have been told there is a top tube storage like on the canyon and a down tube storage for spares like on the specialised shiv.
Hydration they are going with a bottom bracket aero bottle that site between seat post and down tube
Most people hate trying to drink from a down tube aero water bottle…so trek goes with a aero down tube water bottle…
I think their view is many have found internal hydration systems are over engineering and possible causing more issues with very little pay off.
By this I meantime have complained of the length of the straw on the specialised making it hard to drink, some find cleaning and replacing the hydration bladders and straws more hassle than it’s worth.
The aero bottle on the frame is designed to improve aerodynamics and allow you to refill a BTA bottle.
Not saying that’s why they did do it but my guess.
Also not saying I agree with this approach either.
I have been told there is a top tube storage like on the canyon and a down tube storage for spares like on the specialised shiv.
Hydration they are going with a bottom bracket aero bottle that site between seat post and down tube
Most people hate trying to drink from a down tube aero water bottle…so trek goes with a aero down tube water bottle…
I’ll gladly drink from a down tube aero bottle than an internal bladder.
The existing sc is under $5k which includes mechanical Ultegra, 500 oclv carbon layup that isn’t their top of the line, aluminum seatpost, and some pretty shitty wheels.
The new bike is probably going to be offered in higher end components (sram AXS, di2), 800 oclv (similar to the madone/emonda), and much nicer wheels. While the price won’t be for everyone, it shouldn’t be surprising when you compare it to the current offering.
The existing sc is under $5k which includes mechanical Ultegra, 500 oclv carbon layup that isn’t their top of the line, aluminum seatpost, and some pretty shitty wheels.
The new bike is probably going to be offered in higher end components (sram AXS, di2), 800 oclv (similar to the madone/emonda), and much nicer wheels. While the price won’t be for everyone, it shouldn’t be surprising when you compare it to the current offering.
Don’t be surprised if they use OCLV 600 which in the schemes of things means very little.
The new bike will likely still be heavier due to the larger tubes and ISO speed.
The new frame is expected to cost more than the current bike costs as a complete bike.
Your focus like for my own personal purchasing decision is based on performance however there needs to be a buy in point that a reasonable number of people can purchase.
I think Trek will squeeze out a large percentage with this disc version.
My guess will be di2 Ultegra rather than mechanical and the Bontrager aeolus comp wheels which look better than the current ones on the rim speed concept but aren’t that much better.
I expect a $1500 boost in parts but a bike that will cost 2-3 times at least more than the current one.
I think it’s hard for anyone to be able to justify the continual growth in prices on bikes these days.
The existing sc is under $5k which includes mechanical Ultegra, 500 oclv carbon layup that isn’t their top of the line, aluminum seatpost, and some pretty shitty wheels.
Man, I bet you’re a blast to be around at parties!
The current $4200 base bike with the $500 Project One upgrade is a screaming aero bargain; a $1500 set of Hed Jet+ wheels away from standing toe-to-toe, aero-wise, with any tri bike at any price. Hell, a $100 areo-jacket rear wheel cover for the rear with the not-nearly-as-awful-as-some-wheel-snobs-say stock front wheel gets you in the ballpark. It will be sad to see that go away.
The existing sc is under $5k which includes mechanical Ultegra, 500 oclv carbon layup that isn’t their top of the line, aluminum seatpost, and some pretty shitty wheels.
Man, I bet you’re a blast to be around at parties!
The current $4200 base bike with the $500 Project One upgrade is a screaming aero bargain; a $1500 set of Hed Jet+ wheels away from standing toe-to-toe, aero-wise, with any tri bike at any price. Hell, a $100 areo-jacket rear wheel cover for the rear with the not-nearly-as-awful-as-some-wheel-snobs-say stock front wheel gets you in the ballpark. It will be sad to see that go away.
Fully agree it’s a bargain. It’s probably the best bike money can buy right now. My overall point (and apologies if I came across as being a dick), is that folks are comparing prices on an entry level bike (current sc) to a top of the line bike (new speed concept slr). It’s like comparing an entry level shiv to an s-works shiv with etap axs and roval clx wheels. We shouldn’t be surprised when the new trek comes with a 12,500-13k price point. Is it worth that? Only the individual buying it can make that decision but my bet is that there will be a lot of orders placed within the first week of it being available. We may eventually see lower end options offered but it will be at least a year and it will depend on market decisions. We all know there is more demand in road, gravel, mountain, and e-bikes than Tri.
I do hope they keep the current offering. The trek website has the frame option up as a 2022 bike so that tells me the frame will be at least available.
The existing sc is under $5k which includes mechanical Ultegra, 500 oclv carbon layup that isn’t their top of the line, aluminum seatpost, and some pretty shitty wheels.
The new bike is probably going to be offered in higher end components (sram AXS, di2), 800 oclv (similar to the madone/emonda), and much nicer wheels. While the price won’t be for everyone, it shouldn’t be surprising when you compare it to the current offering.
Don’t be surprised if they use OCLV 600 which in the schemes of things means very little.
The new bike will likely still be heavier due to the larger tubes and ISO speed.
The new frame is expected to cost more than the current bike costs as a complete bike.
Your focus like for my own personal purchasing decision is based on performance however there needs to be a buy in point that a reasonable number of people can purchase.
I think Trek will squeeze out a large percentage with this disc version.
My guess will be di2 Ultegra rather than mechanical and the Bontrager aeolus comp wheels which look better than the current ones on the rim speed concept but aren’t that much better.
I expect a $1500 boost in parts but a bike that will cost 2-3 times at least more than the current one.
I think it’s hard for anyone to be able to justify the continual growth in prices on bikes these days.
Agree with a lot of what you said here.
I think you will see Aeolus RSL wheels on the new bike with that 12,500-13k price point. Lower end options (if available) would come with Aeolus pro or comp
Quick edit: this is all moot as I’m told the only way to order will be through project one. So folks are going to customize the bike however they want based on their needs. I’ve personally always done a p1 with lower end wheels for training as I’ve had race wheels ready to go.
Trek charge a P1 fee just for selecting a lower level part.
Fingers crossed if they do choose to make all of them P1 only that they don’t charge extra
I’m sure the price will come down once the SC7.5 equivalent version comes out. My 2014 was an insane deal at 3000k when I got it back in 2015. I know later on they started shipping them with the uci legal fork and bars which sucked but it was still the fastest bike you could buy at that ridiculous price. I’m pretty sure the 2014 with a good set of wheels if probably faster than the new disc brake version so I see no reason to upgrade but would of course consider buying one if I had to get a new bike. I hope the fit range is as good or better. It was one of a handful of bikes that you could still go long and low.