just found this over at bikeradar.com. kinda sexy!
http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/guru-introducing-747g-photon-road-frame-23243
http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/news/2009/09/17/1253142914068-1h8749b68d4wi-850-65.jpg
With a not so cool price of 4500 for frameset.
yeah, a bit steep. i suppose you pay a premium for custom fit. i wonder just how aero it is???
Holly bottom brackets Batman! Not sure but in the picture it looks huge!
Why not just make the BB area taller than trying to add an illegal water bottle in its place. Just make it one complete entity.
Fully custom carbon tribike frame for $4500 or the P4 for $5000 for the frame.
Bob
I guess Im a below avg athlete. I make under 130,000 a year and spend less then 3000 a year on my bicycle. Thats why I love running so much, 80 bucks for shoes and Im good for 3 months.
Not my point. I buy a bike and ride it into the ground, but the poster was speaking of the cost of the frame. I was simply providing perspective on cost. That’s all.
Bob
hm, wonder where the brakes will be…and the cable routing…aero seatpost? Looks like a Specialized Shiv and Cervelo P2 offspring.
Oh, and it’s ‘Crono’.
Looks nice but I am not sure how it is better than a P2C, which is MUCH cheaper. I understand the custom thing but the vast majority here do not NEED custom.
Cervelo’s don’t fit many athletes even though many athletes ride them. Especially those with short torso:leg ratio. The ability to go custom for those that will benfit from it, is huge if you race long course. But your point is well taken – the price point for stock frames is almost always going to be significantly better.
Holly bottom brackets Batman! Not sure but in the picture it looks huge!
Holy horizontal dropouts, Batman! That’s a change from the previous version.
Why would they change that? What are the advantages of one over the other?
Cervelo’s don’t fit many athletes even though many athletes ride them. Especially those with short torso:leg ratio. The ability to go custom for those that will benfit from it, is huge if you race long course. But your point is well taken – the price point for stock frames is almost always going to be significantly better.
I believe the counter argument to that which I have seen here quite often is that they actually fit quite a few more athletes than those who make custom frames (and buy them) would admit. And that those who “don’t fit” on them usually were just fitted by someone who did it wrong.
I’m not saying I agree with that. I own a Crono. But that’s the counter argument. I wouldn’t know one way or the other.
Thank you for noticing that Joe…I understand the desire to have your back wheel as close as you can get it behind your seat tube…but I absolutely hate rear entry dropouts. Even if I could afford one of these…that was my deal breaker. Guess I was just not meant to own something as aero as this (or anything Cervelo).
I guess Im a below avg athlete. I make under 130,000 a year and spend less then 3000 a year on my bicycle. Thats why I love running so much, 80 bucks for shoes and Im good for 3 months.
you can get those same shoes at Big 5 for $50.
Thank you for noticing that Joe…I understand the desire to have your back wheel as close as you can get it behind your seat tube…but I absolutely hate rear entry dropouts. Even if I could afford one of these…that was my deal breaker. Guess I was just not meant to own something as aero as this (or anything Cervelo).
Don’t feel too bad about the aero part. The Crono is unbelievably comfortable and I adore mine but if you read the numbers that have been posted here in the past, there are several significantly cheaper frames that are significantly more aero.
Incidentally, I actually don’t understand the desire to have you back wheel as close as you can get it to your seat tube. What is the advantage? Is it purely aero? Because it was pretty close before.
I own a first version, off the shelf, Crono as well…and despite being as aero as a brick (to quote one STer) I absolutely love the ride. By far my favourite ride so far in life. I can only imagine that a wheel imbedded in your seat tube is what ideal aerodynamically speaking…but if it means I have to use rear entry dropouts I’ll just be happy staying retro I guess.
I usually buy from roadrunnersports so its around 60 but I can send them back if they do not fit. Worth the 10 extra bucks.
Thank you for noticing that Joe…I understand the desire to have your back wheel as close as you can get it behind your seat tube…but I absolutely hate rear entry dropouts. Even if I could afford one of these…that was my deal breaker. Guess I was just not meant to own something as aero as this (or anything Cervelo).
I really don’t understand the rear-entry dropout hate. Once you learn the trick of displacing the rear derailleur with your right hand to clear the skewer nut, it’s really no harder (or messier) to remove the wheel than with a vertical dropout.
Oh…on that note I might agree but I have at least two frames with vertical dropouts and neither has screws that stop the wheel from getting sucked into the seat tube…both are far too short even backed out as far as they can go. I can live with the funky removal/installation of the rear wheel…it’s the scratches all over the inside of my cut out that ticks me off. There should never be a good reason to have to tighten a skewer as much as I do to keep it from shifting (and I am by no means a Watt monster).