[Need Advice] WoodWay 4Front vs Technogym SKILLRUN

Hi everyone! I am new to the forum and I recently got interested in triathlon. I have been thinking about starting Zwift run and buying a treadmill almost exclusively for that.

So far I put my eyes on the WoodWay 4Front with QuickSet display and the Technogym Skillrun TX500. I would really love to hear suggestions on which treadmill is better.

For my Zwift setup, I have a PC and a 40 inch TV. And I am planning to wear a Garmin 945 and HRM Pro for running metrics. So, no need for fancy displays and additional advanced biometrics. Also, I have been hearing the display part of the treadmill breaks much faster due to treadmill shaking.

I have read some posts on the forum regarding the two treadmills. So far my impression is that:

  1. WoodWay seems to be more durable and less prone to break. It also has better warranties.
  2. It seems that both treadmill has similar running experiences, which is great for the knee. But there are also claims that Woodway is much superior.
  3. Skillrun seems to offer more features and is slightly cheaper since the base model comes with 18.6mph speed and 25% incline. On the other hand, Woodway base model only has 12.5mph speed and 15% incline. To match the speed and inclination, WoodWay will be more expensive and requires 240v wiring in the home.

For me, I am planning to use treadmill to train for mid long distance runnings (marathons) rather than sprinting. However, it never hurts to do HIIT occasionally. So there’s a question whether the additional speed and inclination actually matters.

I will definitely favor a better running experience and easier maintenance over the additional features, if the difference on these two aspects are quite substantial. If running experience and maintenance are not so different for a home use, I probably go with more features…

Curious about everyone’s thought on the subject. Cheers!

I own a Woodway 4Front but have spent considerable time (probably 50+ hrs) on the Skillrun as my old gym had a couple.

Overall, the running surface is better on the Woodway, but both are far superior to a regular treadmill.

A new Woodway is going to have integrated Bluetooth speed, and the Technogym did not as of a year ago - but that can be solved with a Runn sensor.

The Technogym has a feature I LOVE for intervals - you can preset a bunch of speeds prior to a workout in their “Speed Shift” mode, and then any time you bump the speed paddle it jumps straight to the next level. Perfect for intervals - let’s say you know your aerobic pace, your easy pace and your interval pace - program in ahead of time, and then you can cycle through them with a paddle - while still being able to manually adjust the speed on the screen.

Overall, if I were buying NEW - I’d probably get the Technogym. Heresy, I know - but the computer functions are slightly better and the tread is still pretty darn good. However, I picked up a used Woodway for just under $5k, and I’ve never seeN a used Technogym Skillrun for sale…… which is why I own the Woodway :slight_smile:

I own a Woodway 4Front but have spent considerable time (probably 50+ hrs) on the Skillrun as my old gym had a couple.

Overall, the running surface is better on the Woodway, but both are far superior to a regular treadmill.

A new Woodway is going to have integrated Bluetooth speed, and the Technogym did not as of a year ago - but that can be solved with a Runn sensor.

The Technogym has a feature I LOVE for intervals - you can preset a bunch of speeds prior to a workout in their “Speed Shift” mode, and then any time you bump the speed paddle it jumps straight to the next level. Perfect for intervals - let’s say you know your aerobic pace, your easy pace and your interval pace - program in ahead of time, and then you can cycle through them with a paddle - while still being able to manually adjust the speed on the screen.

Overall, if I were buying NEW - I’d probably get the Technogym. Heresy, I know - but the computer functions are slightly better and the tread is still pretty darn good. However, I picked up a used Woodway for just under $5k, and I’ve never seeN a used Technogym Skillrun for sale…… which is why I own the Woodway :slight_smile:

Thanks for the detailed response!

I am curious about your thoughts on the running experience. To put it qualitatively, how much difference do you feel in terms of running experience? ~5%, 10% or 20%?

I am under the impression the most innovative part of WoodWay treadmill is the slat belt: it seems that they started the game and have been in leading position for the past 30 years. Here is a link from WoodWay themselves: https://www.woodway.com/.../woodway-difference/

However, it seems that their competitors are catching up in the last few years and various slat belt treadmills are available on the market. I understand there’s a German engineering design, and years of experiences in the game that could make quite a difference. But I am under the impression that the gap regarding running experience is not that noticeable anymore (I could be terribly wrong on this since I never run on a skillrun myself).

I also agree with your other comments on the functionality part that it does feel Technogym product are more feature rich. Maybe a bit too rich that it actually sacrifices the durability a bit (more complex more easy to fail). But I feel durability might not be a huge concern (again I could be terribly wrong here) since I use it in a home setting. My rationale is that if that thing could handle gym abuses and gym owner considers it a profitable investment rather than liability, then it should be reasonably well built. Maybe it is not heirloom grade as WoodWay 4Front, but probably not a concern to my use case at home.

As to Bluetooth, I just checked with Technogym, it supports both Bluetooth and ANT+. So it’s not an issue anymore.

So my current guess is that, for me, it seems that

  1. running experience quite close (maybe 5% since the same technology grade?)
  2. Durability same for my use case.
  3. Skillrun more feature rich: speed, inclination, different workout and personal trainer features are built in the base model. At the same time, WoodWay needs substantial money to upgrade for the same level.

So I feel maybe for buying new, I should go with the Technogym skillrun. But again, if the running experience is 10%+ difference, I might stick with Woodway as the running experience is probably the most fundamental part of a high end treadmill that I am looking for…

I have a woodway and I am beyond happy with it. Just bought it used (it’s from 2002) and it runs flawless. I’ve never ran on technogym treadmill but my understanding is that they don’t last as long as Woodways. There’s been a few threads about this in the past. Use the search function.

I have a woodway and I am beyond happy with it. Just bought it used (it’s from 2002) and it runs flawless. I’ve never ran on technogym treadmill but my understanding is that they don’t last as long as Woodways. There’s been a few threads about this in the past. Use the search function.

Thanks for the comment. Could you tell me where did you buy your WoodWay (from Woodway?) and how much does it cost?

I am also considering used Woodway 4Front. But the price i saw so far is a bit high for a used one in my opinion. The one I saw is from 2013 with 15k mileage. And the total take home price is around 9.5K. Yet, with 3K ish more, I can get a new one. Not sure 3K for 10 years of use is worth it. If it is under 5K in total, that will be a no brainer for sure.

Regarding the Technogym durability issue. I have read all the posts in the forum. I also happen to stumble on this Reddit post mentioning that it seems quality has improved a lot recently (comments from mickeyaaaa): https://www.reddit.com/...&utm_name=iossmf

But without the solid track record like WoodWay, it definitely concerns me a bit for buying a Technogym one.

I bought it privately. It was a an older Desmo-s model from 2002 with ~60k miles on it and I paid under $2k for it (there was a thread I started about my purchase: https://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/?post=7525926#p7525926

I wanted to buy new or a certified used one from woodway but I couldn’t bring myself to spend that kind of cash. If you have time, be patient and search local for sale ads: Facebook, Craigslist, etc. They pop up occasionally but you have to act quickly if it’s a good deal.

I bought it privately. It was a an older Desmo-s model from 2002 with ~60k miles on it and I paid under $2k for it (there was a thread I started about my purchase: https://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/?post=7525926#p7525926

I wanted to buy new or a certified used one from woodway but I couldn’t bring myself to spend that kind of cash. If you have time, be patient and search local for sale ads: Facebook, Craigslist, etc. They pop up occasionally but you have to act quickly if it’s a good deal.

That’s a really nice price. Congrats on the buy!

Hi Moonlake,

There were two auctions that just took place in the past 2-3 weeks online for Woodway treadmilles. One was in Boston and the other in Philadelphia.

I believe they were from boxing gyms that closed. Each had 8 treamills.

i live in PHL and watched the sale closely. The treadmills only had 800-1200 miles on them. The last I checked, just before the auction closed (and pricing disappeared), the bids were between $4500-5500. There is an auction fee added to the price. I’m not sure if there is a sales tax. Basically, these treadmills sold for $5000-6000 all-in.

I’m not sure if there will be any additional ‘bulk’ Woodway auctions but as others have said, keep an eye on craigslist, or maybe contact the auction company in the link (I believe they did both BOS and PHL).

https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/spo/d/philadelphia-woodway-front-treadmill/7334673151.html

https://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/timed/bscpau/catalogue-id-bscpau10167

Good luck!

Mark

Hi Moonlake,

There were two auctions that just took place in the past 2-3 weeks online for Woodway treadmilles. One was in Boston and the other in Philadelphia.

I believe they were from boxing gyms that closed. Each had 8 treamills.

i live in PHL and watched the sale closely. The treadmills only had 800-1200 miles on them. The last I checked, just before the auction closed (and pricing disappeared), the bids were between $4500-5500. There is an auction fee added to the price. I’m not sure if there is a sales tax. Basically, these treadmills sold for $5000-6000 all-in.

I’m not sure if there will be any additional ‘bulk’ Woodway auctions but as others have said, keep an eye on craigslist, or maybe contact the auction company in the link (I believe they did both BOS and PHL).

https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/spo/d/philadelphia-woodway-front-treadmill/7334673151.html

https://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/timed/bscpau/catalogue-id-bscpau10167

Good luck!

Mark

Hey Mark,

Thanks for the information! I saw a Reddit post regarding the PHL auction, and it attempts to sell 7~8k prior to the auction. I was tempted but I hesitated since I did not live in PHL.

Another thing I was concerned is installation. I am not sure where to get a crew to help me install the treadmill… Any suggestions on this one?

But yeah, I would totally go for it if the total price is 5-6K. That sounds like amazing deals. Will look up the auction company!

Hello moonlake,
If you find a Woodway on the secondary market you can always email service@woodway.com or info@woodway.com with the serial number and we will help you with the service history. We also have a used buyers guide to assist https://www.woodway.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/used_buyers_guide-1.pdf

We can also suggest a few moving services that may be able to help you. Whether you get a Woodway from us (we do have certified preowned at times although demand has been significant) or a third party we want you to have a great experience. There are some great deals out there, but also some shady ones, just like other products and we want to help people avoid those. The PHL ones were nice units.

Good luck on the search and if we can help let us know.

Hello moonlake,
If you find a Woodway on the secondary market you can always email service@woodway.com or info@woodway.com with the serial number and we will help you with the service history. We also have a used buyers guide to assist https://www.woodway.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/used_buyers_guide-1.pdf

We can also suggest a few moving services that may be able to help you. Whether you get a Woodway from us (we do have certified preowned at times although demand has been significant) or a third party we want you to have a great experience. There are some great deals out there, but also some shady ones, just like other products and we want to help people avoid those. The PHL ones were nice units.

Good luck on the search and if we can help let us know.

Thanks for the information! It definitely makes me feeling much more confident about buying a used one. And the guide is also super helpful on checking treadmill conditions!

I own a Woodway 4Front but have spent considerable time (probably 50+ hrs) on the Skillrun as my old gym had a couple.

Overall, the running surface is better on the Woodway, but both are far superior to a regular treadmill.

A new Woodway is going to have integrated Bluetooth speed, and the Technogym did not as of a year ago - but that can be solved with a Runn sensor.

The Technogym has a feature I LOVE for intervals - you can preset a bunch of speeds prior to a workout in their “Speed Shift” mode, and then any time you bump the speed paddle it jumps straight to the next level. Perfect for intervals - let’s say you know your aerobic pace, your easy pace and your interval pace - program in ahead of time, and then you can cycle through them with a paddle - while still being able to manually adjust the speed on the screen.

Overall, if I were buying NEW - I’d probably get the Technogym. Heresy, I know - but the computer functions are slightly better and the tread is still pretty darn good. However, I picked up a used Woodway for just under $5k, and I’ve never seeN a used Technogym Skillrun for sale…… which is why I own the Woodway :slight_smile:

Hi IKnowEverything,

Thanks for the comment. I was able to test both treadmills at a local gym. And I think I get your points in the comments now.

I run on both treadmills for 45 minutes each. The Woodway running experience is better. Here, better is defined as more cushioned, shock absorbent.

Running on the 4Front indeed feels like running on a “wood way”: in the sense that compared with running on paved roads, running on 4Front feels a layer of additional shock absorbent. To me it feels like the belt is almost like a basketball shoe’s sole to further absorb the shock for you.

Yet, running on the SKILLRUN is still very impressive, but it seems that it is designed to be more real life like than Woodway. Real life here as the running experience between running on a paved road and running on the track. Compared with Woodway, there is definitely more shock back to you on a skillrun. But such shock is still less than real world. So a more paved road or track running experience.

I also agree with you that the computer functions on skillrun really shines. To me, I was very impressed with the real time biometric feedback: power, cadence, step length, fly time, ground contact time, etc. Having a big screen in front of you to display these metrics is really helpful. I was initially very skeptical about the running power concept. But power does shifts in the magnitudes of 10-30 watts when the running form changes. While I am trying to increase my cadence up to 180 from 160, I saw the running power decreases. I think it will be helpful to build a good running form.

I haven’t tried the time shift feature, but I am sure it will be very helpful to make drill training easy: adjust speed while running kind of sucks a lot.

Regarding the Bluetooth issue, you are right. Skillrun is not compatible with Zwift. As far as I tried, the Bluetooth and ant+ support of Skillrun only allows connection of heart rate monitor, smart phone and headphones. The treadmill itself cannot broadcast its metrics via Bluetooth and Ant+. If it can, that would be really awesome, given how much running stats it tracks.

I also read a little bit about the treadmill speed broadcasting accuracy. It looks like to get the most accurate reading, the best way is either a stryd pod or a runn sensor as you suggested. I guess to get the most accurate data, additional device is a must now for both devices.

I really wish treadmill manufacturers can put more efforts on improving speed sensing and tracking more running stats (I guess skillrun already did). Additionally let the treadmill broadcasting its metrics via ant+ like all the bike trainers. But I can understand why they don’t do it: virtual run is still too early and there isn’t that much market there.

Curious what will happen in the next 5 years!