Mounting a Tubular

due to some questions re: tubulars I thought this might be a useful article. there were some photos which did not load well.

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Mounting tubular tires Level of Difficulty: Advanced Typical Tools and Supplies Needed* Truing Stand to hold wheel. Use rags to protect stand from glue drips Acid brush or other clean narrow brushes, such as old tooth brush Acetone or other strong solvent Floor pump Knife or scraper

This article will discuss the mounting and gluing of tubular tires. The tubular tire is made from a tire casing that is then sewn around an inner tube. The stitching is covered with a strip of cloth called “base tape”. The tubular is then glued to a special rim, called a tubular rim. The tubular system is not interchangeable with the common “clincher” system.

A tubular tire with most of the base tape (visible left) removed to show the stitching that holds together the tire carcass,

Rims for tubular tires have a concave bed where the tyre is glued into place and lack the hooked sidewalls found in rims intended for clincher tires. Tubular tires 101

The tubular tire system, even when mounted properly, is still susceptible to failure during use. Every precaution should be taken when bonding the tubular to the rim. At this time there are no industry standards for tubular mounting.

The basic principles that apply to gluing and adhesive bonding apply to tubular mounting. Generally, there should be enough adhesive to bond the tire and rim but not excessive amounts of glue. Excessive amounts of glue can become especially susceptible to failure from heat. There will be limits on the strength the bond between rim and tire.

The tubular tire shape may not be a good match with the radius of a particular tubular rim. The tubular bond strength comes from the outer edges of the rim more than the center. If the tire is too small for the rim, there will not be good contact at the outer edges. In the cross section image below, there will be poor contact between tire and rim at the outer edges.

Contact cements tend to soften and loose strength when they are heated. Hard braking during a descent can cause enough rim heat build up to soften tubular glue.

Wet conditions tend to weaken the bond. Never glue a tubular out in rain or when the base surfaces are wet. Use care when washing tubular and avoid scrubbing the rim/tire interface.

The tire is held on to the rim by glue, tension from the cord, and by air pressure. If a tire flats, the grip to the rim is weakened, and the tire is susceptible to coming off the rim.

During use, the wheel and tire are subjected to several different types of stresses. The worst stress for the tubular system is a lateral load or lateral impact. Hitting bumps during a corner, where the wheel comes of the ground and then lands with an impact tends to push the tire sideways. This may cause the tire to come off the rim, either partially or entirely, which may result in a crash of the rider.

Most bicycle tubular glues are variations on contact cements. Tubular cement must hold the tire to the rim, but yet be somewhat flexible and giving when the tire is impacted laterally. Expoy or hard glue would tend to shatter when impacted rather than yield during a shock. Tubular cements tend to use volatile solvents that must bleed or dry out before the bond is fully secure. While the application technique is critical to maximum bonding strength, glue brands will vary in quality and adhesive strength. For more detail on tubular bonding see a technical article by Dr. Colin Howat, see the Kurata Thermodynamics Laboratory

The safety of the rider depends on the best possible gluing procedures. A clean work area is important, as is time and patience. Ideally, it would be best to have three days to bond a tubular to the rim. This would allow for full drying of base coats. It is possible to glue a tire in a shorter amount of time, but it is important to undertand that tubular adhesive requires time for proper curing. The bond strength increases after the tire is initially mounted. Gluing Procedure- new or bare rim

As with all bonding procedures, clean surfaces are important. Use a clean rag and a solvent that will not leave an oily film, such as acetone or alcohol, to clean the rim surface. An oily surface will tend to reply the adhesive. Allow rim to dry completely before continuing. NOTE: Do not use strong solvent to wipe carbon fiber rims. Wipe with a clean cloth only. If necessary, use soap and water to remove oil and allow drying completely.

The tubular tire can be a tight fit to the rim. It can help to stretch the tire on a dry rim and inflate it to full pressure. Allow wheel to sit overnight. If time is an issue, the tire can be manually stretched by placing it over your back “bandoleer” style. Place a knee in the tire and stretch, using your back.

Inspect base tape. If the base tape is covered with latex, attempt to scrape clean with a sharp edge. If scraping does not appear to remove any glue, do not scrape further. If scraping appears to clean and clear the tape, continue until full width of tape is finished.

Apply a single coat of glue to the base tape. Inflate tubular until base tape rolls outward. Handle the tire by the sidewalls. Pinch tire in the middle to form a “figure 8”. Apply a bead of glue a few centimeters at a time, and spread evenly across the base tape. Continue until entire base tape is coated, including the area at valve.

Use care not to get glue on sidewall of tire. However, if glue does get on sidewall, do not remove with solvent. Simply allow drying and leave it alone. Hang tire off ground in a dust free environment allow to dry completely. A dry tire will be easier to handle when mounted to the rim.

If rim has no base coat, apply a first coat. Spread an adhesive bead a short section of rim, then spread evenly the full width of the rim with a clean brush. Allow this first coat to completely dry, ideally overnight.

Apply an additional coat and allow this coat to dry as well. The third and perhaps final coat will be used to mount the tire while it is tacky, and not completely dry. If there is a poor fit between tire shape and rim shape, more coats may be required.

It is important the adhesive be applied fully to the edges of the rim. Most of the holding power will come from the outer edges of the tubular rim.

Test edges for glue.

After applying the final coat the rim, allow to partially dry. This may take from a few minutes to one half hour, depending upon the glue and atmospheric conditions. Deflate the tubular until it is soft, but leave enough air so the tire holds its shape. This will help keep the sidewalls clean during mounting. Find a clean floor area to work on, such as tile, or even a toolbox lid. Do not mount on carpet, grass, or any surface that may contaminate the rim. Place the wheel vertically and place the valve in the valve hole.

Begin to pull outward on the tire, holding the tire approximately 12-inches (30cm) to either side of the valve. Work the tire on a section at a time, while continuing to maintain pressure on the tire.

The last section may be especially tight and difficult to get on the rim. Use thumb pressure to force tire onto rim.

After the tubular is mounted, IMMEDIATELY begin to true and align the tire on the rim. Sight the base tape on both sides of the rim. Generally, the base tape should appear even and centered. Check that the center of the tire is if fact centered on the rim. Pull and twist the tire as necessary. It can help to deflate the tire further to align, but re-inflate to check final alignment.
Checking adhesion

Check proper adhesion at this time. Roll the tire back in several places and inspect the glue at the rim and tire interface. Glue should be apparent at this area. The first image above is adequately glued, but the second image shows lack of glue, called a “starved joint”. Remove tire and apply more glue to the rim.

After the tire is aligned, inflate tire fully. High tire pressure will help press the base tape fully in the radius of the rim. It can also help to roll the tire along the floor while applying downward pressure.

Clean braking surface of any glue. Use a strong solvent and a rag is the rim is aluminum. For carbon rims, wipe off glue as best possible without solvent.

Lastly, the tire MUST be allowed to fully cure. This will require time for the glue solvent to bleed out. It is recommended that a tire be allowed to cure for 24-hours. Gluing and using a tire in a short amount of time will not allow proper bonding, and can lead to failure, no matter the brand of glue. Mounting to Used Tubular Rims

The gluing procedures will vary depending upon of the condition of the used rim. If the rim already has a base coat, it typically can be re-used. The old tire, once removed, will give indications of the previous gluing. In the image below, the base tape shows very minimal contact.

There will often be a layer of dirt on the edges of used rims. Use a scraper and remove this glue and dirt. Remember, it is the edges that do most of the holding. It may be necessary to build up the previous coat. It is also possible that the old coat is thick in some area and bare in other. Apply glue accordingly. If the base coat is very old, or if it is dirty and contaminated, it should be stripped off. It is possible to use heavy-bodied paint removers. Use a bio-degradable remover when possible, and follow stripper directions.

NOTE: Do not use paint stripper or other strong solvents on carbon rims. Any solvent strong enough to cut the old glue will be strong enough to potentially damage the matrix of the carbon fiber. If there is excessive glue build up, apply a thin coat glue and then scrape off excess, effectively using the new glue as a “solvent”.

The base tape of a tubular is adhered to the tire with glue. If the base tape comes loose from the tire, it is difficult to repair to a “like new” condition. Use a thin coat of glue on the base tape. Install tire to a dry rim and inflate fully to push tape to rim.

It is impossible to fully inspect the mounting of a tubular without its removal. This of course is not practical. Roll the tire back away from the rim to inspect the glue at the rim/tire interface. If popping and cracking is heard, it is an indication the bond is old or there was inadequate glue in the bond. The tire would be suspect.

This is an interesting resource. Thank you for posting it.

I do think things like this really make a mountain out of a mole hill though. It makes the tubular mounting process seem so complex, when it is really much simpler than even installing a clincher. I can glue a tubular much faster than I can install a new clincher tire.

Here is my step-by-step procedure, time tested all over the world in over 200 triathlons and many more bicycle races, for mounting a tubular:

Step 1. Put glue on the wheel.

Step 2. Put the tire on the wheel.

That’s really it. I once glued 12 wheels in our store, cleanly and securely, in well under 15 minutes. I’ve also glued tires fr a racing team while sitting in the back of a car on Pave’.

It really is very, very easy. Much easier than clinchers.

Thanks to both you and Tom.

Chuck

Given the odd turn the forum has taken in the last couple of days this is not what I thought mounting a tubular was going to be about.

True.

4-5 times a day. Oooops. I though this was another sex thread about mounting…

This is all making me laugh, I have ridden bikes for a long time now and still not got round to riding a tubular, so I thought I would go all european and get a tubulars for my new bike. I get all the bits in, go to parktools to see how to mount the beasts and it takes a degree in materials engineering just to be able to understand the gibberish they put there.

do I really have to stretch the tire “Bandoleer style” ? If my friends see me doing this they will give me a kicking!

also how much glue is too much?

muffin - in my experience if you think you’ve got the right amount of glue on the rim and tire it’s probably too much. The first time i glued on a tubi all i could think about was Beloki crashing at the Tour and i put on enough glue to stick a battleship together…

In all honestly - i followed the directions as written the first couple times and it DEFINATELY works better that way - but if you want to do it the fast and dirty way there are ways to cut tubular corners - so to say…

one way is to use fast-tac the 3M glue instead of tubular glue.

Another way is to assume the glue on the rim is still good.

I respect Tom’s opinion that you can glue 10 tubulars in 15 minutes - but i still think to do it right you should use good tubular glue (i.e. continental, etc.) and let both the rim and the tire sit overnight the first time you apply the glue.

so if I get it right,

its a no to bandoleering??? why take all the fun out of it?

and to get the tire on I just have to glue each side, let it sit in the garage overnight and then stretch the tire on, allign, check for glue and inflate to 170?

You should stretch a new tire first on the wheel overnight first before putting any glue on it at all.

Then glue the tire and glue the wheel. let sit overnight and then i usually put a VERY thin layer of glue on the tire and mount it on the wheel. The more the tire has been pre-stretched the easier.

I assume you’re joking with 170…

did I do a funny, yep 170, the tires are tufo and they say they are rated to 220. I have been riding clinchers rated at 116Psi at 140 for a long time due to my mistrust of bike companies putting safety factors in the inflation rates, what should I inflate the tires too, shoudl I do it in increments, maybe 120 whilst the glues cure and then go the full bore to 180 a few days later?

I put mine to 120 and then usually leave then there for most rides / races. This is probably another thread of debate, but over 120 unless you are riding on perfectly smooth pavement i think it’s not worth the slight advantage of less rolling resistance because of the increased vibration.

I might put it at 130 on a route I know has good pavement.

Ok I am about to mount my first tubular (with pants on !). I have been told by a few people to leave an unglued portion opposite the valve to make it easier to remove the tyre in a race. Does anyone else do that ? I am worried about rolling the tyre in that portion. Also the article on cyclingnews.com recommends three coats of glue, surely that would make it hard to get off as well, is one coat enough ?

if you have a brand new rim and brand new tire you need 2 coats of glue at least. if you have glue on the rim already and want to go the fast-tac way then put one coat on the tire - let it sit for an hour and then put another coat on the tire & rim and put it on the wheel (make sure the tire is stretched first).

If you choose to leave 1-2 inches unglued do it opposite the valve hole (so you know where it is). if your tires are properly inflated you really don’t need a huge amount of glue to keep them on. you’d be surprised. don’t worry about rolling the tire on a one inch section. it’s an easy way to remove the tire if you have to do it in a race. triathletes do it - but roadies don’t - they never have to change their own tire mid-race.

Thanks I will do that. I have been trying to get the old glue off the rim with acetone ! So I should just leave it there ? If Tom did 10 in 15 minutes I am sure he wasn’t getting the old glue off.

pick up some Bestine (or it might have been bestone) rubber cement thinner from your local art store. This stuff works better than anything else I’ve tried on tubular glue and won’t attack even carbon rims.

I do at least three coats of glue. On a new tubular usually one or two coats on the base tape and a coat on the rim. A light coat once the rest are dry and mount while tacky.

A friend just lent me his 404s and apon deflation I was able to roll the tires right off, they were brand new tires and he had only done one layer of glue. It was the cleanest glue job I’d ever seen before but I’m glad I chose to change tires before riding. The race was a almost like a crit course, that could have been painful and expensive.