I’ve been looking at the Merida Time Warp, I don’t think it’s available just yet but should be soon.
Merida are a massive company and huge in Euro MTB circles. As far as I know their road bikes are yet to really take off.
Here is the time warp but I can’t work out stack and reach and they don’t list any. I’m specifically looking at the 50 size.
It looks really long bike in the photos.
I’m trying to compare to Cervelo P2 (longish) and Specialised Transition (shortish) in terms of reach.
Also, wondering if anyone has opinions on the bike itself?
http://atletas.info/?p=2397 (edit, paste this URL into google translator)
mmmm, perhaps I should have changed to title to new cervelo, new specialized or new trek…
Wow. Great looking bike! And 78deg STA. I like the looks of that a lot.
Based off very rough guesstimates, it’s long. Quite long. And low, although they have that neat looking headtube contraption which is basically just a glorified spacer in 2cm and 4cm lengths.
With a 61mm BB drop, it’s actually REALLY low.
My rough estimates would be 485//405 – 505 //425 – 525//445 for stack/reach in the respective sizes.
Now that is VERY rough, but you can do some pretty close ballparking by comparing it to a P3’s geometry chart, since p3cs also run ~6cm of BB drop, are also built at ~78deg, etc.
It looks like a very well thought out and well designed bike.
Wow. Great looking bike! And 78deg STA. I like the looks of that a lot.
Based off very rough guesstimates, it’s long. Quite long. And low, although they have that neat looking headtube contraption which is basically just a glorified spacer in 2cm and 4cm lengths.
With a 61mm BB drop, it’s actually REALLY low.
My rough estimates would be 485//405 – 505 //425 – 525//445 for stack/reach in the respective sizes.
Now that is VERY rough, but you can do some pretty close ballparking by comparing it to a P3’s geometry chart, since p3cs also run ~6cm of BB drop, are also built at ~78deg, etc.
It looks like a very well thought out and well designed bike.
Thanks Rappa, wondering if you could expand a little - when you say 61mm of BB drop is low what do you mean - the BB is close to the ground? How does that affect things? Is it handling or something that is affected?
the merida only comes in 50 - 54 - and 58 sizes. I thought the dimensions of top tube were really long too. I’m not sure what that means in terms of fit though, for example, I used to ride a P2K in size 54 and it was a little too long. So was thinking the 50 in Merida might be a good fit.
The BB is HIGH off the ground. This means the distance between the top of the headtube and the BB - the STACK - is basically 1cm shorter than it would be on another bike with an equivalent length headtube but running the more typical 7cm of BB drop.
That 50 is a big bike. With the right aerobars - probably something tall - like a 3T brezza or maybe even syntace - I think that it’d probably work well for you in a 50, based off what you wrote. But that’s very off the cuff.
I’ll try and hook up with these guys at least by Interbike to see if I can get the hard numbers.
The BB is HIGH off the ground. This means the distance between the top of the headtube and the BB - the STACK - is basically 1cm shorter than it would be on another bike with an equivalent length headtube but running the more typical 7cm of BB drop.
That 50 is a big bike. With the right aerobars - probably something tall - like a 3T brezza or maybe even syntace - I think that it’d probably work well for you in a 50, based off what you wrote. But that’s very off the cuff.
I’ll try and hook up with these guys at least by Interbike to see if I can get the hard numbers.
I’ve been doing some trigonometry trying to work out the reach.
I took the seat length of 500mm (for the size 50). I took the sine of 12 degrees, (90 degree - 78 degree seat tube angle). So the distance from the seat tube to the vertical line from centre of BB would be 500 x (sin 12 degrees). which is around 103mm
I then subtracted this distance from the top tube length of 525mm to give a reach of approx 420 to 422mm.
This reach is around the same as a size 54 cervelo and yes does seem a little long for the smallest size they are offering.
So what does a longish reach mean in terms of positioning? If you are riding at 78 degrees what sort of reach would you want for a normal proportioned person?
Note - I won’t be riding anything long like Ironman distances.
The problem with that is that they don’t always measure top tube length to the same place they are measuring the seat angle. I.e., sometimes seat angle is measured through the clamp, which is not always in line with the center of the seattube, which is also not always where they measure top tube. Hence the difficulty in making a lot of the assumptions that you have to make…
Seems like it’s just you and I Rappstar,
I find it strange there isn’t much discussion regarding this bike on here. I really think it’s a shame everyone only cares about the big names. we need healthy competition AND I don’t swallow everything the big companies release about aero data etc… Far too many inconsistancies.
I’m going to be in a decision where I have to buy this bike unseen if I buy it. Low turnover shops in my area simply can’t afford to get such a bike in and have it sitting on the floor if it doesn’t fit me…
Really wish I could somehow work out the exact dimensions.
I’m 5’8" so you’d think they wouldn’t make a bike that doesn’t have a size small enough to fit a 5’8" person…
What’s amazing to me is that Merida is a huge company compared to what most people think of. They make a lot of bikes for those other companies that people care to talk about.
Since I have no direct contact at Merida, my plan is to wait to Interbike to talk to them, since that always works better. For instance, I’ve had no luck with Ceepo after a cursory initial discussion, after which I got the incorrect numbers.
If you can wait until then, I usually have good luck explaining the concept in person.
Yeah I know how massive they are, and also have one of the best production systems in terms of both output and quality control. I’ve been riding their MTB’s for years and they are top notch.
You’d think they would be promoting this bike more - it seems a real beauty. However what looks good on paper and pictures might not look good to the wind, I wish there was some supporting evidence so to speak.
Unfortunately I can’t wait until Interbike.