Mechanics - bike shop tool advice needed

I’m thinking of using some Christmas money to get a few bike-specific maintenance tools. I have an '06 Dual with Dura Ace 10-speed throughout (even crankset), with the exception of the chain and cassetee which are Ultegra 10-speed. A few of the common tasks I’d like to be able to complete myself include…

removing cassette - Looks like the Park FR-5 is the one I need. Can anyone confirm?

chain tool - Park CT-3 seems to be the “beefiest” model. Not too worried about carrying it with me.

cable cutters - Park CN-10 seems like a popular choice.

torque wrench - No idea here. Any resonably priced options?

metric socket head hex key set - To use with torque wrench above.

Are these good choices, or are there better options out there? I already have a nice set of standard hex keys and most of the more common tools I may need.

Thanks.

Steve

Yes Park is okay, make sure you get a few extra pins I would get the Hozan cutters (and did) Craftsman Crafstman
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Thanks.

Is there a better chain tool out there for roughly the same price?

Are these the Hozan cutters that you refer to… http://www.framebuilding.com/wpe1A.jpg

I looked at Sears this past weekend, and it seemed like all of their torque wrenches were much heavier duty than would be needed for a bike. (For example, they didn’t have any 1/4" drive models.) I’ll have to give them another look.

Steve

chain tool–Topeak Chainbot

cable cutters–Dremel with cutting wheel

torque wrench–a dial torque wrench (cheapest accurate torque wrench)
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Yep, that is the Hozan - holds its edge much better than the Park POS.

I did not get a dial torque wrench…these are bikes not space craft - close enough is close enough.

Everytime I hear someone complain that they used a torque wrench and something still stripped or snapped, they were using a clicker torque wrench. With the small bolts and low torque specs on most bike parts, just being off by a few N*m can be disastrous.

Thanks.

The Chainbot looks interesting. Is it a pretty heavy duty (shop quality) tool? Looks like it’s on closeout most places.

Is there a specific make/model of dial torque wrench that you’d recommend?

Steve

$30.00 at Sears

http://s7.sears.com/is/image/Sears/00944642000?rgn=0,0,640,640&scl=2.56&fmt=jpeg
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Thanks.

The Chainbot looks interesting. Is it a pretty heavy duty (shop quality) tool? Looks like it’s on closeout most places.

Is there a specific make/model of dial torque wrench that you’d recommend?

Steve

I’ve only used my Chainbot a few times but it seems pretty sturdy and I’ve used many chain tools over the years, including when I worked as a mechanic in college. The chain tools that always broke were the old Rivolis and, surprisingly, the big Park tool. I found that the small Park chain tool (CT-5) actually worked better and that sufficed for a few years until I upgraded to 10-spd. I found that the CT-5 could break 10-spd chains with some fuss but could not reassemble them even with the help of pliers and a screwdriver. The Park site now lists it as 10-spd compatible but I would expect them to have incremented the model number if they made any changes. Topeak has a good reputation for customer service should you ever have any problems with it.

As for torque wrenches, you should look at the torque specs of your bike parts. The manufacturers always say that their wrenches are accurate from 20-100% of their max value. Normally, you would need a small TW and a big TW to cover the range of torque values on a bike. The big TW is necessary for crank bolts, BB cups, and cassette lockrings. However, cassette lockrings are one thing you can just tighten by feel as are BB cups (tighten until the bearings bind then back off). With Shimano external cranks, the big crankbolts are gone, replaced by pinch bolts that require 12-15 Nm. Most handlebar and stem bolts are 5-8 Nm.

There only seem to be two models of beam torque wrenches for bikes (it’s likely all the cheaper beam torque wrenches are made in the same factory in China). Their ranges are 0-60 in-lbs (6.8 Nm) and 0-600 in-lbs (68 Nm). The general recommendation is that torque wrenches are only accurate between 20-100% of capacity. The useful ranges are thus 1.4-6.8 Nm for the baby beam torque wrench and 13.6-68 Nm for the bigger one. That leaves a gap that some bike fasteners fall into.

CDI and Precision Instruments are two of the many brands of dial torque wrenches. The problems with clicker torque wrenches are inherent in the basic design, not the brand. Similarly, the accuracy of dial and electronic torque wrenches is largely due to how they work. I have a CDI electronic wrench whose 2.7-27 Nm range covers low and medium-torque bike fasteners so look for a dial wrench that covers a similar range–at least 5-15 Nm or English equivalent.

It might seem expensive but I counted about 16 bolts that required 5 N*m on my aerobars/stem/headset and it only takes one to slip or snap and there goes your event/collarbone.

One affordable alternative maybe a preset torque key if you only have handlebar fasteners to deal with:

http://ritcheylogic.com/web/Ritchey~Logic/Ritchey~Site/web/EN/main/product/accessories/greaselube/23850.html#

Technically, it is a clicker type TW but it’s preset to one value and may avoid the problems of an adjustable value clicker TW.

chain tool - Park CT-3 seems to be the “beefiest” model. Not too worried about carrying it with me.
I can not comment on the Chain Bot but would add that if price is no object, then Rohloff makes the Rolls Royce equivalent of chain tools. Since you are running a 10-speed drive train, be sure the chain tool you get is compatible - Park recently upgraded the CT-3 with a new rivet pin for dealing with 10-speed chains. This is important as the old style rivet pin does not properly seat link pins on the narrower chains like the Shimano Dura Ace or SRAM PC1090r 10-speed chains - nearly learned this lesson the hard way.

that is essentially the torque wrench I used to build my tri bike at my lbs. Worked fantastic and gave great peace of mind. that counts for at least 1 min/ 40k!

Dan
www.aiatriathlon.com

Same one I used at Barnetts too.

The Cricket,

Those “mechanics” who are too lazy to return their clicker type torque wrenches to the zero torque setting after they finish tightening their fastner deserve all the stripped and broken bolts they get!

The clicker type torque wrenches are more accurate than the beam type torque wrenches, but only if they are cared for like the precision tools they are manufactured to be. Every clicker type torque wrench comes with instruction that caution the owner to return the torque setting to zero before storing the wrench. The cautions also includes the caveat that failure to do so will compromise torque measurement and could result in damage to whatever one is trying to set the torque on. Too bad all the “expert” mechanics always fail to read these instructions and then profess these sophisticated and complex tools are junk. I guess reading is not a prerequisite for mechanics. Shouldn’t be a problem for anyone who posts on ST though.

Ben, though I agree with what you are saying…these are bikes man…bicycles. If a MFG makes a part that is THAT critical to torque then they will have issues. There was a Syntace recall of the F99 stem about a year ago - the ONLY thing that was changed was that they used a laser to put the torque spec on the face plates as opposed to not having it there (I think the spec was also changed from 8 to 6 ft-lbs or something allong those lines). If a MFG starts to make parts where a good Mech at an LBS cant “Wrist Torque” a component with confidence then we are in for some serious trouble.

Record10Carbon,

Although I would have agreed with you were this a few years ago, with the advent of everything carbon (Record10CARBON) if you don’t see a torque wrench in the shop at your LBS, you need to change shops and bike mechanics. Those bike shop mechanics who are still “wrist torquing” critical (carbon) components are most likely damaging those components. They should have learned this lesson long ago if even the hard way (f*cking up).

NO NO!!! I meant that they use an arm type over a “click” type. I will ALWAYS torque stems, BB shells, crank arms and seat binders - cant recall the last time I did with a pedal, brake caliper, seat mount (on the post) and some others (torque specs on carbon bottle cages have gone WAY too far).