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Thank you!!!
Honestly between the PMs and the replies on here, so happy I found ST to help me out with training! Thank you!
Just wanted to bump this to say thank you for the advice - I didn’t end up getting in for the marathon so am going to do a half. The runs are going well, using the runner’s world half in under two hours to train. Going well.
Just a quick question - my distance runs are at 15k and I am not in any pain at all, able to run the next day… Any thoughts on me signing up for two halfs that are a week apart? Feeling good after all my runs, time is getting better…
Good idea, once you do a half, and they can be pretty hard on you, you will have a small idea of going the full distance. I write “small” because the first half is always a heck of a lot easier than the second… they call mile 20 “the Wall” for a reason ;-).
Re: 1 half’s a week apart, well, what are you trying to achieve with these races? If you want long training runs that give shirts and medals out, then sure, go for it, sometimes it’s fun just to be part of it all… But if you are expecting to “race” either of those events, you may end up (1) disappointed that you were “average” in both or (2) happy that you kicked butt in event #1 and super slow + sore in event #2 and dramatically increased your chances of injury or illness. I personally love racing, so when I start an event, I race it (even if I am only racing myself/the clock). I do not expect to be running the next day after a 1/2, so for me, doing two 1/2s that close to each other just doesn’t make sense. Back to back races, the max I would consider is 10k or OD racing; or a 5k/half (Sprint/1/2IM) combo. In 09 I did a sprint 2 weeks before IMC, and it was the best decision - kept me fresh, got me moving at a higher pace than usual. I’d consider the same approach for road racing, shorter/faster then longer/slower…
Good luck on your racing, whatever you decide! Let us know how it goes!
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Just a quick question - my distance runs are at 15k and I am not in any pain at all, able to run the next day…
That’s great, but beware that racing is sometimes a different story. You’re going faster ![]()
I’m in the “sure” camp if the goal is just to have fun doing them. If you do 2 halves a week apart, keep the week between them really, really light. Your goal for that week has to be recover + get ready to race again.
The first would be a training run, the second would be the “race”. I figure if I am going to be running the distance, I might as well see how fast people are going - and how slow I am compared to them!
I think it depends on your recoverability. I ran 2 marathons in two weeks. And I was actually faster in my 2nd. I wasn’t racing the second one either- just did it for fun. My coach says because I am a symmetrical runner- I rarely get injured. I only ran 1- 5 mile run between the 2. so- I think it’s possible, it just depends on you.
Good luck!
You can totally do a marathon in 6 months! I did my first using the Hal Higdon plan and I trained for it in the 20 weeks he gives, sticking to the plan. The next year I did 4 marathons and PR’d at 3:30. I was 37–not a youngin’ and I’ve never been injured.
If you train for each long run like it’s your marathon it will help you prepare and NOT hit the wall. Marathon is 75% mental on that day. Join Hal’s forum and that will help too. You can do it!
Running is kind of a slippery slope, because it is easy to get injured if you push yourself too far too fast. I didn’t follow a plan when I ran my first half marathon. Mostly because all the free plans out their are more for the experienced runner than the inexperienced runner. It is best to have at least 3 year of competitive running before attempting a half marathon. And then I would say it should take about 4 - 6 months to build up to running 50K a week, with at least one long run of 16K. I will admit that I worked up to a 20K run and ran 50K a week for four months before running my first half marathon. I had a bit of a difficult recovery but it seemed ok after a couple of months. Another thing is that I don’t recommend running a marathon if you are over 20% BF. It is difficult to run that far carrying a lot of extra body weight. If you are over that, I would stick to 5Ks and 10Ks, it is just easier on the body.
Have been training for my half, no problems so far, body is good - never been a 'runner" but have done numerous sports so think my body is handling is well. I am amazed how how fast my body recovers with compression tights - can head for a long run (16k), wear them, shower, put on a new pair for the day, sleep in them and have zero muscle pain the next day - best piece of advice I’ve learned was to were compression tights to bed!
Interesting to see all the advice that varies so much! Have to say, the running for three years and less than 20% body fat rather shocked me. I’m about 22% and now way in heck could I get down to 20 - unless I gave up my weekly beer which I wouldn’t do! ![]()
Well I ran my first half marathon when I was 15% BF. I tried doing a marathon before at over 20% and I found it too difficult. It really depends on your body composition. For example if you are really muscular, losing the body fat is a good way to drop weight and just make it easier to run, far and fast. Some elite marathon runners race at below 10% BF which is really unhealthy for a women. 22% is just fine, if you can do it at that. Its better to have a higher BF than a low one, from a “healthy” perspective.
Don’t get me wrong, I would love to drop the extra fat - on my legs and butt for the most part - but I don’t think it will happen. I also don’t have a long distance runners body - very muscular all over and have quads and calves that make some men cry. I’ve had a few comments from distance runners that I’ll have a hard time as my legs will be heavy. I don’t train my legs at the gym but… with the running, they tend to gain muscle - and lose a tiny but of fat but not enough to change my percentage all that much.
Thanks for the advice. Thinking about giving up alcohol in the NY so perhaps that will help!
Giving up alcohol will make a huge difference! All empty calories, and most people tend to snack more when drinking. When I want to drop some weight, it’s the first type of calories that I cut.
Just wanted to say thank you for all the advice. I decided to do a half and finished my first today. Not a “fast” time (2:02) but considering this time last year I was in physio for my ankles and unable to run 1k, am pretty happy. Have to say, mentally, it kicked my butt. I nearly gave up at the 18k mark (and to be honest, the 16k mark too!) but managed to finish it out. Swore and cursed I would never do another one again during the race but now that I am done…
I want a better time.
Thanks for all the help!