Live, Work, & Train in the LA area

Hey everyone,

It looks like I’m going to have an opportunity to open a small satellite office in the LA/Orange County Area. I work in the Software/IT Consulting industry and the office will likely house a group of consultants of which most will travel up to 80%. The other purpose of the office will be to host training classes which will consist of anywhere from 3 to 15 students…

I have some say as to where the office will be, so what I’d love to know is what areas are great places to live work and train? I currently live in Walnut Creek, CA (East Bay of SF) and really enjoy what this area offers so anything that is similar to this would be perfect, also good school district is going to be a major factor as we just had our first child and this will likely be a more final move for a bit…

My wife’s family lives in the Pasadena area and would love to live somewhere near there I’m sure, but I’m definitely open to other areas…

Thanks in advance!

Joe

Good Lord, I can’t imagine how anyone could train there. They have people and taffic lights and shit.

Yeah, we’ve got our traffic and problems, but I can’t think of a better place to live and train (if I could work there it’d be sweet) than the South Bay. Palos Verdes, South Torrance, South Redondo. I can do a 60 mile ride out my back door with 3 or 4 decent climbs and see maybe 5 stoplights up in PV. Getting a lot of flat miles in is harder, but can either drive or ride up to Malibu and ride up into Oxnard, or ride the Santa Monica mountains for some epic climbs (Yerba Buena comes to mind).

Swimming, the Pacific Ocean at your feet, they put buoys out in the summer. Water temperate enough that you can swim most of the winter.

Running - Can go north and flat for miles upon miles, or south and hilly into Palos Verdes.

Pretty decent tri community down here.

Irvine is perfect.

Amazing Nova groups at 3 pools, Canyons for climbing, PCH for flat work, the ocean for open water swims.

Great schools, an airport, and not all of the LA traffic. (traffic still sucks though)

Check out Multisports OC and OC Tri Club for groups to train with.

Check out Sierra Madre. Sweet little area near Pasadena, but tucked away from the traffic, good for riding.

Yup, south Orange County has some of the better schools, a MUCH easier and less annoying airport with John Wayne/Santa Ana - as opposed LAX, plus you have a variety of options. When I first moved here, I probably flew 3-4 days every other week for work. It is nice having 3 airports within about a 30-35 minute drive (I live in Lake Forest by the El Toro and Santiago Canyon junction).

It also depends upon where your staff may be coming from. Living south and driving north for work has about 1/3 the commute time as vice-versa (north at the beginning of the day, south at the end - on either the 405 or the 5). Office space in Irvine has skyrocketed, Costa Mesa is still some of the most affordable office space, Lake Forest/Foothill Ranch is still fairly inexpensive compared to other new commercial areas). You also have options with UCI and Novaquatics masters swim programs (both located in Irvine), and the Mission Viejo team as well. A couple years ago the girlfriend was in charge of relocating her 200+ person office into a newer location (they are in Orange, but would have loved to moved south a bit as it was less expensive).

You also have the options of heading up north towards Simi Valley. Probably not quite as much consulting opportunity as there would be in L.A./Orange County. My office is at the 405/22 junction - perfect for getting to customers anywhere within about 45-60 minutes - with the exception of Lancaster/Palmdale/Mojave (I work with alot of aerospace companies) area that takes a few hours to get to depending upon what traffic in downtown L.A. is like.

I’d recommend evaluating your client base, your possible staff locations, and then plan accordingly.

mid afternoon bump :slight_smile: Thanks everyone for your thoughts thus far, please please please keep em coming!

Joe

You can’t go wrong in So. Cal for training and racing. From April through October there is a race every weekend within a 2 hour drive, sometimes 3 to choose from. We train year round. The Pasadena area east through Rancho is great with one or 2 small exceptions. Most people use Ontario International Airport. The riding in the local mountains is awesome. From my house in Glendora I can be in the Angles National Forest in 10 minutes by bike. From there I can ride for 3+ hours without a single traffic light. If you don’t like to climb there are lots of bike paths. Plenty of pools where ever you go. OC is also very nice. Between Inland Inferno (my club) and Pasadena Tri you shouldn’t have any trouble finding training partners. E-mail me when you are out here and you can join us for a group ride or run.

Gary Mc

I agree with the posters that have recommended Irvine. Lots of great riding and a bike trail that goes right to Newport Beach if you want, or to Santiago Canyon in the other direction if you like climbing or mountain biking.

The Orange county area is highly unique in that it is a very planned development area, with massive chunks of development being done by people like the Irvine Company–an offshoot of an old family with a lot of land. Some people like to describe this as “plastic” or “cookie cutter,” but there are advantages and disadvantages to this:

Advantages:

I’ve lived in a fair amount of geo’s–Silicon Valley, Seattle, Raleigh, Minnesota–and I am truly amazed at the quality of the bike lanes in the Orange County area. The amount of “off road” bike paths isn’t all that great, but the main “on road” wide streets with “bike lane” markings is really unparalleled. They are all over the place, and you would be hard pressed to find a better geo. In other words, if you like riding streets with wide shoulders, you can’t do better. Here is a link to a local map.

As somebody mentioned before, Santiago Canyon is a gem that must be done to be appreciated.

The weather is about 6-8 degrees warmer than San Jose (where I used to live) in Orange county. This is very workable for riding. As you get farther back into the foothills and away from the ocean, you will find the area gets very toasty during the summer.

Trail running is superb. Really good as you simply reuse the mountain bike trails. The best link for all the mountain biking (ala trail running) can be found here. If you like mountain biking, Orange county has been called the mountain bike capital of the world, and I believe it. The amount of mountain biking distracts from all the other sports. How does it compare to the bay area? I would say “different.” The bay area has a lot more wooded areas. The biking down here is more desert biking.

Swimming and swimming pools: Orange county has a strong legacy of Olympic class swimmers. There are a lot of competitive swim clubs. Most of the YMCAs are really very good.

For business, there are a lot of very, very good public golf courses. Great place to do business on the course.

Disadvantages:

There really aren’t crushingly hard mountain ascents that go on for miles. I can’t think of anything like a “Mt Hamilton” type of climb on the road. If you are willing to do you’re biking on the trail, then there are a bunch of crushingly hard climbs around the Saddleback mountain area. You just can’t find them on the street. You can get a fair amount of climbing in, however. As an example, my “flattish” route today had around 1350 ft of climbing in 21 miles (using the old Avocet 50 algorithm).

As I already stated, the temperature is a bit higher than in the bay area. This is great during the winter, but you need to acclimate during the summer.

Housing and business rental is high. You need to get to about Costa Mesa and Northwards before the rents go down. Also, closer to the ocean is much higher rents.

Poor longer racing support. This one surprises me, since the trainings is so good, but there are no 1/2 ironman events in Orange county. In Walnut creek you are very close to a whole bunch of brilliant tri’s: Vineman, World’s Toughest, Caliman, etc. However, at least we have Ironman California just an hour away as a token.

Theo

I SO need to live in California…

If only _____________________________ … !!!

I agree, Irvine. They have bike paths, running paths, a good pool (major swim meets are held) and its one of America’s safest cities. Many hi tech companies have offices in Irvine also. Close to Los Angeles for the cultural aspects. Plus, you cannot beat the weather in California. The weather here is 1000 times better than Florida. We do not get as cold in the winter and we do not have humidity here.

The only bad thing is the closest good bike store is 2500 miles away in New York. :wink:

I lived in Irvine for several years and would agree that the training available right out your front door there is great but moving to the Portland (OR) area a couple years ago has definitely opened my eyes to another level of GREAT riding…tons of loops up here much better then Santiago Cyn. Although, come December / January, I’d probably appreciate that SoCal weather a bit more then what we have rolling up here! :wink:

But i digress…yes, thumbs up on Orange County / Irvine!

Thanks everyone for your responses! Seems OC/Irvine is a favorite here, my in-laws live in the Pasedena area, so I’d love to get some more thoughts about that area, especially Sierra Madre (as was mentioned). How hot does it get there in the summertime? Here in Walnut Creek, it’s not uncommon to go 100+ for a week or 2 in July and that is quite painful to train in…

Joe