I scored a good deal on a ligth frame(jamis), so I am going to start to build it to be as light as possible with components that are durable. I have never been a WW but the frame is worth it I think. I am not in a hurry since I still have my other road bike (same brand as the new frame) so I can shop around, use ebay, classifieds, wait for sales, etc. Here are some points: 1 its either shimano dura ace or sram 2 open to recommendatins on the crankset 3 open to recommendations for wheels that don’t break the bank, don’t need to be deep carbon but have to be light and clinchers 4 was thinking about zero gravity brakes, should I? 5 anything better, less expensive and not heavier than the easton ec90 stuff for stem, handlebar, post…that will be my first choice thanks have fun
Brakes: the new KCNCs…lighter than ZGs, cheaper, supposed to brake better (although I’ve long run ZGs with no complaints)
Crankset: highest zoot factor would be Claviculas or Zipps, however SRAM Reds will be fine
Gruppo: SRAM Red or Campag Record
Hoops: talk with Eric at www.ergottwheels.com; he can build a set that will be light and will not break the bank; otherwise, there’s always Lightweights
Stem/Bar: Syntace; light and strong
Seatpost: depends if you need setback. There are insanely light carbon options from speciality stores like www.poshbikes.com and www.fairwheelbikes.com, but I personally believe that this isn’t a place to goof around (think IMPALEMENT). USE, Thomson, Syntace, Selcof, Moots, Bold and Eriksen all have great options depending on the aesthetic you’re chasing.
Saddle: TOTALLY personal. For road I’m a Fizik Aliante carbon guy.
Tires: clinchers = Schwalbe Ultremos; tubulars = Dugast or Veloflex.
Other boutiquie light bits: Parless front derailleur clamp, KCNC pullies, ti bolts throughout, USE or Bold skewers.
I don’t know if the old 9-speed Dura Ace is the same weight as the newer 10-speed Dura Ace, but getting the older stuff used might be easier. I’ve seen some good deals on SRAM Force now that Red is out. FYI, I actually mixed and matched on my bike…Dura-Ace shifters, SRAM Force brakes
Are you going to go with quality vs weight? I still think the Dura Ace 10-speed crank is one of the best for bang for the buck (and fairly light) when you get it used. Yes, the new Zipp crank is cool, but it’s $$$$$$$$$$$$$.
For wheels check out the Ritchey Deep Carbon wheels. Zipp hoops and they weigh about 1300 g for the tubulars. I’ve got a few friends that have them and they like them. Can be had fairly cheap on ebay. There also a bunch of generic import wheels available, but I don’t know weights.
I’d say zero gravity are light but $$$. SRAM Force good weight for $$$ as are new Bontrager.
EC90 is a good choice for other stuff. Ritchey is one of my sponsors so I tend to go with them for stems, bars, etc. Good balance in weight, performance, and price.
I like looking at http://www.light-bikes.com/ There’s lots of exotic stuff out there if you want to make your bike REALLY light. Have fun!
Crank: Zipp Vuma. You said you don’t mind waiting so save the money, it’s like 100+ grams lighter than the next best crank.
Sram RED or Force. (I’m just a fan of SRAM).
There are some REALLY light American Classic wheelsets out there. Look for a set of Sprint 350’s. They weigh around 1300g for the set and can be had for $500 or less.
I’d suggest the new FSA K-force light crankset. Almost 1/2 the price of the Zipp crank (yet still a pricey $600). Weighs 660g WITH the included ceramic bottom bracket. The Zipp crank will save LESS than 90g (if you factor in BB weight) for $600. Not a good trade off there. Pays for the ZeroG Ti brakes (another given) and Thompson masterpiece seatpost (yes there are lighter, but you don’t to sacrifice strength).
Have fun!
Oh, and see if you can score some M2 racer skewers on e-bay. 38g for the pair. I’ve had mine for a couple of years, but they are out of production.
Frame - Done
Fork - Done? Easton EC90 SL or SLX but there is the new Edge fork and many others.
Cranks - I know that you said Shimano or Sram but keep an open mind on others. Depends on if you want External BB or standard BB. I am using the FSA CARBON PRO ELITE compact cranks, Token BB and Fibre Lyte carbon chainrings and the total weight for this set up is 630g. The cost of going this route was way less than going with some super high zoot set up.
Seat - SLR in any combination. They are always over the listed weight but still very light.
Seat post - Zero offset = KCNC Ti Pro Lite. With offset = Easton EC90 or KCNC Sc Pro Lite.
Pedals - Speedplay
Wheels Clincher - American Classic Sprint 350 1300g is very nice.
Tires - Anything around 200g’s is a good starting point. I personally like the Conti GP4000S for training and they are pretty light.
Tubes - Maxxis Fly weight or Performance Lunar lite.
Brakes - KCNC new road brakes. Less expensive than Zero Gravity and they work a bit better oh and they are lighter. I have both.
Bars - Easton EC90 bars are pretty good. Kestrel bars are nice. All of them are around 200g
Stem - Syntace F99 or F199 but maybe upgrade to Ti bolts.
Seat post clamp - OMNI racer is the best that is currently available.
Skewers - Omni racer is the best that is currently available. You can even do bolt on for lighter weight.
Cassette - Dura-Ace is pretty light. I just bought a KNCN 11-23 to go on a new build and the weight was 106g with lock ring.
Chain - KMC X10SL is very good and light weight.
Compression device to preload the headset. Tune Gum Gum 9g
Housings are a tough call. I love my Nokon’s but they are not lighter than stock but there is a BLING factor for running them and since I run Dura-Ace STI I can loop the shifter housing back under the bar tape.
Head set - depends on what the frame has in terms of intergrated, external.
Should cover most of it.
I have been building up a lot of light weight bikes in the last 2 years. I currently have 6 bikes built up very light. My next projects will be a road bike to be under 13 lbs. a single speed road bike to be under 11.5 lbs if possible, a fixed gear bike to be under 13 lbs. My Hardtail MTB is 18.2 lbs and my single speed MTB is 13.93 lbs. oh and I can not forget my Cervelo Dual at 15.5 lbs.
If you want to bounce any ideas off me by all means email me as I have been able to help a few people build up some pretty light weight bikes as well as having a lot of help building up my from others.
thanks guys for all the info so far I am reading and evaluating all. here is some more info to clarify things:
1 I got a frameset ( jamis xenith sl) includes fork and headset. total weight is 1330 if I recall correctly
2 I don’t wanr to spend insanes amounts of money but the frame is worth getting the best I can fish
3 pedals have to be look ( have 2 other bikes)
4 no tubular wheels
5 the seatpost of my current bike (jamis xenith pro) which has the same geometry of the SL is an easton ea70 with offset I am not sure how to move to a no offset post withot tweaking the fit which I was planning to replicate (it works great for me)
6 I really like the fizik arione I know its heavy
I aware of weigth weanies some good info but lots of extreme uber expensive stuff
the full bike that jamis sells comes with fsa slk cranks I think, anyone has experience with those. I had fsa but a lower model
I picked up the cranks for $200 USD, the BB was $100 USD and the chainrings were I think $120 (almost as much as the darn cranks) and all the pricing is with shipping. So around $420 total for a 630g set up. Way less expensive than what you can get for heavier set ups. I am running ISIS BB which I have never had any problems with.
As for the weight savings on the chainrings, I can not remember what the exact weights were as they are written down somewhere in a book that I can not find for the life of me.
You can see in the picture as well, the custom black anodized aluminum butterflies on the speedplays. ;^)
Most suggestions of mine have been covered…
However I prefer the Pulsion Superlight for a crank…bit heavier than the Vuma but I like that its a little different and not seen quite as much as the Zipp…plus a bit cheaper.
I am trying to make it as light as possible without breaking the bank or installing something that is not going to last. The 2008 stock bike of this frame its listed at 12.9 lbs with SRAM red and Zipps. If I can get it at below 14 lbs with other components and a lot cheaper I’ll be happy.
I scored a good deal on a ligth frame(jamis), so I am going to start to build it to be as light as possible with components that are durable. I have never been a WW but the frame is worth it I think. I am not in a hurry since I still have my other road bike (same brand as the new frame) so I can shop around, use ebay, classifieds, wait for sales, etc. Here are some points: 1 its either shimano dura ace or sram 2 open to recommendatins on the crankset 3 open to recommendations for wheels that don’t break the bank, don’t need to be deep carbon but have to be light and clinchers 4 was thinking about zero gravity brakes, should I? 5 anything better, less expensive and not heavier than the easton ec90 stuff for stem, handlebar, post…that will be my first choice thanks have fun
M5 brakes - cheaper than Zero G, I think.
Planet X 50mm carbon clinchers?
One piece bar/stem unit should be lighter than separates. Pro, Deda, Specialized, and Cinelli do good ones.
neil_laing mentioned one piece bar stem combination. They are normally heavier than a traditional stem and bar combination since you can go with a light weight stem and a nice light bar. I currently run a Sytnace stem that is 97g with Ti bolts and a pair of Easton EC90 Equipe handlebars that are 196g for a total of 293g. I think that you would be hard pressed to find a one piece bar stem combination that light. The other problem with a one piece combo is that you are stuck with the angle that the stem comes in and the stem length. I have always wanted to get a one piece combination as they look very good and will be a bit stiffer from what I have read.
I am in the process of getting a one piece combination custom made. The bar and stem combination should be around 275g when completed and will be stiffer than the set up that I am currently using. Should be a good project.
The person that I am working with is very tallented and we started discussing an ITU legal drop bar one piece combination that would come in around 380g. Think of these bars but with extensions and stem all as one piece. They would also be at the exact angles that you need.
I saw Neil’s post but I am not sure I want to go with a 1 piece. I really dont need to save every little gram and also want reasonably priced/available choices, but want to get the usual suspects in weight savings done first and then start getting creative (ie, wheels, cranks, bar, post, etc will make a greater impact). My first choice for post and bar is Easton EC90, the stem I am still looking at options but also dont want a carnival look with parts from 100 manufacturers.
I’ll look at those M5 and KNCN brakes to compare to ZG Ti which is my first choice.
Neil: Is M5 the manufacturer? sorry for the ignorance.
You are the first one who mentions Deda. I wonder why. I have always liked their stuff and was looking at it for seatpost, stem and bar and they seem to be pretty light too in some of the models.
Guys, any specifics on Deda?
Probably because you Yanks don’t know what stylish bars are I’ll need to run and hide after saying that.
I’m using Powerplay stem and Kore bars on my road build at the mo. I’m building a bike for visual impact (red, white, and black) rather than weight. See it here http://www.geocities.com/neil_laing2000/cycling/100_9317.jpg
Black/carbon cranks and brake calipers to go.
it to be as light as possible with components that are durable. I have never been a WW but the frame is worth it I think. I am not in a hurry since I still have my other road bike (same brand as the new frame) so I can shop around, use ebay, classifieds, wait for sales, etc. Here are some points: 1 its either shimano dura ace or sram 2 open to recommendatins on the crankset 3 open to recommendations for wheels that don’t break the bank, don’t need to be deep carbon but have to be light and clinchers 4 was thinking about zero gravity brakes, should I? 5 anything better, less expensive and not heavier than the easton ec90 stuff for stem, handlebar, post…that will be my first choice thanks have fun
same with someone else that suggested clavicula, just too much $$
