Large chainring problem

I have a Cannondale CAAD4 tri frame, 650cc. I got Rotorcranks and installed them today. The front chainring is 63/44.

I just wanted to put the front derailleur back on and it doesn’t fit anymore. The 63 seems to be too large and it hits the derailleur. Since the “vertical” downtube isn’t round (airfoil shape), the front derailleur must be attached with this “front derailleur hanger”. Does anybody know if those “front derailleur hangers” come in extended, larger versions? Did anybody else run into problems when installing large chainrings? How did you solve them?

thanks for the help,

daniel

Just curious, why did you go with a 63? Dude, that is a huge chainring!!! Are you time trialing down some mountains?

jaretj

He’s riding a 650c… a 63 chainring isn’t that big (something like a 54 or 56 on 700c wheels I think)

Give Bjorn Anderson a call, he’ll steer you in the right direction with ‘bigger’ chainrings!!!

pinkboy…can only handle a 54 (700c) :wink:

A 63??? LOL… nice one Daniel :wink:

Actually it would be equivalent to a 58 on a 700C bike. Wouldn’t you agree that it is a huge gear? I was just wondering what the application was. He must be one heck of a strong rider to push that gear.

Kind of the opposite of the compact crank idea that a lot of people are going with.

jaretj

Wow!!! I guess I learn something every day.

I hope someone can help him with his derailer problem. Maybe leave the front derailer off while learning the PC’s.

jaretj

for the curious ones of you that wonder why I would put a 63 front chainring on: I was sick of loosing time on the downhills. I’m riding 650cc and had a 53/12 on there. So I changed it to a 53/11. This was a little bit better but I still easily spin on slight downhills, especially with a tailwind. I’m not much of a high-cadence rider. You might wonder why I didn’t uprade the front chainring to a 56 or 58. Good point.

I did some calculations for the gear ratio of 53, 56, and 63 chainrings. I wanted to get Rotorcranks and 56 and 63 were the only two bigger front chain rings available.

Gear Ratio of 53 chainring

53/11 = 4.82

53/12 = 4.42

53/13 = 4.08

53/14 = 3.79

53/15 = 3.53

Gear Ratio of 56 chainring

56/11 = 5.09

56/12 = 4.67

56/13 = 4.31

56/14 = 4.00

56/15 = 3.73

Gear Ratio of 63 chainring

63/11 = 5.73

63/12 = 5.25

63/13 = 4.85

63/14 = 4.50

63/15 = 4.20

63/16 = 3.94

63/17 =3.71

63/18 = 3.50

63/19= 3.32

I looked at those ratios and thought that the 63 would be better than the 56. Although the 56/11 would give me a higher gear ratio than my old 53/11, the 56/12 would already be lower. Just enjoy spending some quality time in those gears :slight_smile:

I think that the 63 chainring will be better for me. Of course I won’t put the 11 on the back…unless I’m riding down the Matterhorn :). In general I thought that the 63 would give me better gear ratios than the 56.

Some of you might think that it is a waist of energy to go fast during races. I understand that the aerodynamic drag force doesn’t increase in a linear manner (it increases squared). I agree that higher velocities will waist more energy. But I believe that sufficient high gears can be an advantage on rolling courses. Let’s take PCH North of Malibu for example. I always run out of gears on thosre rollers there (on the downhill part that is). If I would have higher gears I would be able to go faster on the downhill portion. Going faster downhill translates into a greater amount of kinetic Energy at the bottom of the hill. Well, this would mean that I would make it further up the hill without pedaling. I’m just taking a guess, but I would think that overall I would use less energy because I wouldn’t spend as much time climbing. Even if I spend slightly more energy, I still think that the overall time will be faster. That’s the reason I got the 63 instead of the 56.

One more thing, the 63 looks really cool. My bike now reminds me of my first tricycle…

d

Daniel,

Why didn’t you just reply with the last sentence? :wink:

Also, can you please state for the record: What is the velocity at 120rpm you get on a 650c wheel for the 63-11 combination? Just for the record.

Actually no, it’s a bit lower, 80km/h. Now why would you want to pedal at those kinds of speeds?

so you make it up the rolling hills without having to climb
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francois, and where is the wheel size in your equation. According to your calculations, there is no difference between 650cc and 700cc.

You got it wrong.

just for the record, but I wrote in my previous post that I wouldn’t put an 11 in the back. ok, let’s calculate it.

for a 700cc wheel:

(120x63)/11 = 687.3 rev/min (back wheel)

the diameter of a 700cc wheel is 67cm.

(.67m)(3.14)(687.3 1/min) = 1445.9m/min

(1445.9m/min)(60min/hr)(1km/1000m)=86.8km/h

for a 650cc wheel

(120x63)/11 = 687.3 rev/min (back wheel)

the diameter of a 650cc wheel is 62cm.

(.62m)(3.14)(687.3 1/min) = 1338.0/min

(1338.0m/min)(60min/hr)(1km/1000m)=80.2km/h

was just the ratio 63:11=5.73

sorry francois, typed before I saw that you got it
.

Like I told you once, we’ve got just one life, so one shot of getting it right :slight_smile: Remember that
.

and in the fall I’ll take that shot. until then I have to be patient and make the best out of it.

Daniel,

Joe Peterson, 2004 California state TT champion and one of our mega 44/63T chainring users writes:

“My bike is custom, the deraileur braze on is high to accomodate my chain
rings, My front deraileur is Shimano. My 63/44 shifts like a champ. Hope that
helps.”

So sounds like you had a valid idea about raising your front derailleur.


What you need is a plate to space the front deraileur up. I have one on a bike of mine,any local machinist could make you one,mine is 3/8 inch wide(slightly wider then the deraileur where it bolt onto the hanger)this piece will need the same radius on the front as the deraileur so it can bolt into the hanger,it will also need the radius in back for the deraileur can bolt on the back of this spacer,you need this spacer to be long enough to be able to bolt the deraileur to the spacer then a second hole lower on the spacer that is threaded to accept the deraileur. So the bolt holding the deraileur to the spacer is above the hanger and this positions the deraileur up.Mine is slightly different than what i have tried to discribe,but will work,if you need a picture let me know and i will see if someone could post it for me.Hope this helps

Joe is an animal too!!! He rides a 63x11 on 700c!!!