Lance did not win 6 Tours?

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Check this out:

http://www.letour.com/2005/TDF/LIVE/us/300/index.html

Then go to the bottom of the left hand menu, under “History” click on “The Tour since 1903”, in the Search By Country section, select United States from the country drop down menu and leave the other drop downs in the default position (All The Year and The participations). Finally click on the Find button. Look at Armstrong, Lance results and there you have it, Lance did not actually win all of the races you think he did!

According to the Tour’s official web site, Lance finished 2nd in 2000, 3rd in 2001, 7th (Yikes) in 2003 and 2nd in 2004. Now I know some French folks, especially media, have a bone to pick with Mr. Armstrong, but c’mon, a win is a win is a win, right? Or is this a big cover up, a big conspiracy?

Should I start wondering about the US of A actually landing a man on the moon? Another Mr. Armstrong no less!!! I think I am beginning to see some cracks in the “truth”, help me pull all the threads together agents Fox & Mulder…

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The default is for participations.

I am not sure what that means but if you change it to victories it shoes up correctly.

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hmmm…well I checked the site and followed the steps you mentioned and I see nothing but 1st from 99-04. Sorry, Mulder out!

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Thanks for the feedback agent Mulder, I was just talking about if you look at the number in brackets next to the year, don’t click on the rider’s name to get the full, expanded results. If you look at 1999 it says (1er) which is the French short form for premier, or in English first (1st). But if you look at 2000 it says (2e) which is the French short for for deuxieme, or in English second (2nd). I can’t figure out what the heck else they would mean by these numbers in brackets because if you look at LeMond, Greg, it says 1986 (1er), 1989 (1er) and 1990 (1er). Please, if someone out there knows of another explanation for the numbers in brackets, clear up my confusion, I need to set my mind at ease (or maybe I just have too much spare time at work today!)

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I think the placings you mention in your first post correspond to LA’s finishes in the prologues for each of those years. I haven’t looked at the site myself, but perhaps that is part of the explanation…

Ken

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http://www.letour.com/HISTO/images/us/tt_histo.gif Past results for Lance ARMSTRONG (USA) New search http://www.letour.com/HISTO/images/ligne.gif Born in 18/09/1971
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**7 participations ( 6 **victories)
23 1995 36th 1 stage victory Stage 18 : Montpon-Monesterol > Limoges 1999 1st http://www.letour.com/HISTO/images/carrevert.gif Wore the green jersey http://www.letour.com/HISTO/images/carrejaune.gif Won the yellow jersey 4 Prologue : Puy-du-Fou > Puy-du-Fou Stage 8 : Metz > Metz Stage 9 : Le Grand Bornand > Sestrières Stage 19 : Futuroscope > Futuroscope 2000 1st http://www.letour.com/HISTO/images/carrejaune.gif Won the yellow jersey 1 stage victory Stage 19 : Fribourg-en-Brisgau > Mulhouse 2001 1st http://www.letour.com/HISTO/images/carrejaune.gif Won the yellow jersey 4 Stage 10 : Aix-les-Bains > L’Alpe d’Huez Stage 11 : Grenoble > Chamrousse Stage 13 : Foix > Saint-Lary-Soulan Stage 18 : Montluçon > Saint-Amand-Montrond 2002 1st http://www.letour.com/HISTO/images/carrevert.gif Wore the green jersey http://www.letour.com/HISTO/images/carrejaune.gif Won the yellow jersey 4 Prologue : Luxembourg > Luxembourg Stage 11 : Pau > La Mongie Stage 12 : Lannemezan > Plateau de Beille Stage 19 : Regnier-Durette > Mâcon 2003 1st http://www.letour.com/HISTO/images/carrejaune.gif Won the yellow jersey 2 Stage 4 : Joinville > Saint-Dizier Stage 15 : Bagnères-de-Bigorre > Luz-Ardiden 2004 1st http://www.letour.com/HISTO/images/carrejaune.gif Won the yellow jersey 6 Stage 4 : Cambrai > Arras Stage 13 : Lannemezan > Plateau de Beille Stage 15 : Valréas > Villard-de-Lans Stage 16 : Bourg d’Oisans > L’Alpe d’Huez Stage 17 : Bourg d’Oisans > Le Grand Bornand Stage 19 : Besançon > Besançon http://www.letour.com/HISTO/images/ligne.gif New search Top

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I’m not sure what those numbers mean, but if you look under any of the other search methods (victories, podiums, jerseys, etc) they all have Lance winning each year.

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No, no. You see, this is the screen that I am talking about here. If you look at Armstrong’s participations, what exactly does the number in brackets after the year mean? I assumed it was the overall placing for the race but maybe you folks can clear up the mystery of what the numbers really mean. Again, remember that 1er means 1st in french, 2e means 2nd, 3e means 3rd and 7e means 7th. Someone suggested it was the placing in the prologue. Any idea STers???

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**122 **participations Nouvelle recherche http://www.letour.com/HISTO/images/ligne.gif AILVIS Norman 1990 (142e) ANDREU Frankie 1992 (110e) , 1993 (89e) , 1994 (89e) , 1995 (82e) , 1996 (82e) , 1997 (25e) , 1998 (11e) , 1999 (46e) , 2000 (153e) ARMSTRONG Lance 1993 (nc) , 1994 (nc) , 1995 (36e) , 1996 (12e) , 1999 (1er) , 2000 (2e) , 2001 (3e) , 2002 (1er) , 2003 (7e) , 2004 (2e) BISHOP Andy 1988 (135e) , 1990 (116e) , 1991 (126e) , 1992 (nc) BOYER Jonathan 1981 (32e) , 1982 (23e) , 1983 (12e) , 1984 (31e) , 1987 (98e) BRADLEY Jeff 1987 (nc) CARMICHAEL Chris 1986 (nc) CARTER Mike 1991 (nc) GREWAL Alexis 1986 (nc) HAMILTON Tyler 1997 (132e) , 1998 (75e) , 1999 (18e) , 2000 (9e) , 2001 (45e) , 2002 (16e) , 2003 (6e) , 2004 (18e) HAMPSTEN Andrew ‘‘Andy’’ 1986 (4e) , 1987 (16e) , 1988 (15e) , 1989 (22e) , 1990 (11e) , 1991 (8e) , 1992 (4e) , 1993 (8e) HEIDEN Eric 1986 (nc) HINCAPIE George 1996 (100e) , 1997 (56e) , 1998 (26e) , 1999 (15e) , 2000 (45e) , 2001 (23e) , 2002 (29e) , 2003 (13e) , 2004 (10e) JEMISON Marty 1997 (117e) , 1998 (84e) JULICH Bobby 1997 (95e) , 1998 (4e) , 1999 (22e) , 2000 (55e) , 2001 (43e) , 2002 (94e) , 2004 (9e) KIEFEL Ron 1986 (96e) , 1987 (82e) , 1988 (69e) , 1989 (73e) , 1990 (83e) , 1991 (138e) , 1992 (nc) KNICKMAN Roy 1988 (nc) , 1989 (nc) LANDIS Floyd 2002 (42e) , 2003 (116e) , 2004 (17e) LEIPHEIMER Levi 2002 (18e) , 2003 (12e) , 2004 (13e) LEMOND Greg 1984 (3e) , 1985 (2e) , 1986 (1er) , 1989 (1er) , 1990 (1er) , 1991 (7e) , 1992 (nc) , 1994 (nc) LIVINGSTON Kevin 1997 (157e) , 1998 (119e) , 1999 (85e) , 2000 (24e) , 2001 (141e) , 2002 (101e) MC RAE Chann 2000 (31e) PHINNEY Davis 1986 (nc) , 1987 (nc) , 1988 (105e) , 1990 (153e) PIERCE Jeff 1986 (80e) , 1987 (88e) , 1988 (nc) , 1989 (86e) RODRIGUEZ Fred 2000 (27e) , 2001 (109e) , 2002 (127e) , 2003 (70e) ROL Bob 1990 (132e) ROLL Bob 1986 (63e) , 1987 (nc) SHAPIRO Doug 1985 (74e) , 1986 (nc) VANDEVELDE Christian 1999 (14e) , 2001 (61e) , 2004 (89e) VAUGHTERS Jonathan 1999 (19e) , 2000 (33e) , 2001 (36e) , 2002 (123e)
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I see what you’re talking about; some of the other riders’ info is goofy like that as well. Don’t really know what it means.

Sounds like French math, I guess. (apologies, Francois… :wink: