Ladies I need your help here

Before I begin I realize I am talking too a bunch of highly athletic women. Step out of that mode for a moment and just be really smart and hard working.

My wife is obese. She is 5’8 and probably close to 280 pounds. I have zero problems with this because she is groovy no matter what the weight. The problem is that since she has never been this big and she is beginning to have serve pain in her feet in ankles and do I even need to bring up what this is doing to her emotionally.

She talks about it and wants to do something about it but feels she is so deep in the hole that it is impossible for her to dig out. In all other walks of life she is a real go-getter and excels at what ever she does. The weight issue however seems to be the burden that she is powerless against.

What can I do? I try to talk to her about, only when she brings it up and I don’t lead the conversation, but she shuts down after the first couple of sentences she says. Any of y’all have/had this problem? This is a mind field no man should ever have to cross but we have too.

Help!!!

I haven’t had to deal directly with this issue, but I will tell you about my hair dresser who was obese. I would try to tell her that if she even started a little bit of activity like walking every day she would see a difference rather quickly. She would always dismiss the thought saying ‘yeah but you are so fit, I can’t do what you do’ even though I wasn’t ever suggesting she do as much as I.

Then she got a puppy. Living in an apartment this meant she had to walk the puppy at least 2x a day. Without changing anything else, by the time the pup was 6months old, she was 25lbs lighter. That got her motivated to do more and with a better diet and more activity and she is now down 80lbs overall.

So why don’t you ask your wife to go for a walk with you and talk about anything else besides her starting off on a more healthy lifestyle. Do that a few days a week and she may just start feeling better and begin asking you to go.

Good luck.

I’ve never had to lose weight, but I did quit smoking. I don’t know if the two are comparable, but they may be as they both require willpower and self discipline. Nothing anyone ever said to me made me want to quit, the desire to quit came totally from within. By the time I quit, I was sick of smoking. I enjoyed it to a certain extent, and was totally addicted to it, but I hated always having to have cigarettes on hand, running out at 11:00 p.m. so that I’d have enough cigarettes to get me out the door in the morning. I hated them being in control of me. So, before I even tried to quit, it was something that I badly wanted to do. And then I got help in the form of a nicotine patch. And it was easy - within two weeks I quit smoking. In fact, it was too easy because I started smoking again. When I quit the second time, though, I quit for good, and it’s hard for me to believe now that I ever smoked at all. It’s just way too disgusting. So… my suggestion? Encourage her, but don’t be pushy. Offer help in whatever form - doctor’s advice, weight watchers, go for walks with her as a form of exercise, whatever. Her health, maybe her life, is at risk. But no one can do it for her. She has to want it, and she has to maintain that desire for a long time. A question… does she find your athleticism intimidating, and something she can never live up to? Maybe that’s something to consider and something you can find a way to address. Good luck to both of you!

Mr. Tibbs, you are a wonderful man. You are both so incredibly lucky to have each other :slight_smile:

While most of my clients have been athletes I have had some obese people referred to me. What I normally find is the obesity is a symptom of something bothering them, so sometimes it helps to seek some sort of counseling. However, since that is not my line, I tend to suggest it and continue to do what I can on my end, and sometimes work with the counselor.

I have them visit a nutritionist that will work with them on a sensible diet. None of this lo-carb, high-protein, no wheat, all veggie mumbo jumbo. Just plain old food, a balanced plan that will get her healthy and shed some pounds. The nuritionist has to work with your wife to create a plan that she will stick with. Not that I don’t believe in some of the diets out there that delete popular foods (wheat for instance, and don’t start with that whole issue people - I know the arguments) but the best diet for your wife is one that will make her healthy and one that she will stick with.

Weight Watchers has been around for a long time and I have to say that is my favorite “packaged” nutrition center. Mainly because they push real food. The problem is, it does not deviate much for people who do a lot of activity.

While she is trying to eat better, you need to help her find something physical she will enjoy doing. I am sure you can think of one activity you can do together but what about walking? Does she enjoy swimming? Or biking? She does not necessarily have to do what you do. Maybe she likes aerobics and will go to a gym or do a video at home? She needs to get active and burn calories but she needs to enjoy the activity so she will stick with it. Start slowly, maybe 15 minutes per day, 3-4 times a week then add on a bit at a time. People tend to go all out in the beginning then burn out or get hurt and quit. Talk with her and together you may think of activities to do together that will help her get fit AND bring you even closer together.

Do you get FITTV on your cable? There are so many shows on that channel that may help to inspire her, but sometimes seeing all those smily skinny people just piss you off :slight_smile: Just depends on what will motivate her. This is the link http://fittv.discovery.com/

There is also the tae bo or other videos out there. As triathletes, we may all scoff at them but they can be pretty inspiring and a fun way to get fit.

I guess what I am saying is no packaged plan will help her on its own, you have to delve into what will motivate and inspire her to take on this big task. It would be huge for you to help her, to work out with her and eat what she has to eat (of course your portions may be different).

I look forward to hearing what your progress is. Let me know if you need help. Good luck!

maylene

Hi Tibbs,

Well, I’m not a lady but I’ll throw my two cents in here as usual.

Having been oveweight myself as a kid I think weight loss is one of those things that really has to be a deeply rooted internal desire. The motivation has to come from deep inside. Another person, no matter how well intentioned, can’t instill or even motivate the desire in someone- especially across genders.

Often times it takes a big life-changing event to trigger that internal motivation.

The good news is, once a person finds the motivation within themselves and starts the rewards tend to come quickly and that only feeds the fire.

Most of the time though, it is an absolutely, positively 100% hands off situation. Even being supportive during the process must be handled with a degree of diplomacy seldom seen in Washington, as the opportunity for misinterpretation is so great.

Good luck my friend.

Little steps, small goals, and each of the small goals leads to the big goal. I’ve heard that even losing 10-15 pounds can help reduce the strain on joints. So break it down:

Goal 1- drop 2 dress sizes, swim or go to water aerobics 3-4 times a week for 2-3 months. Send her to the day spa for something nice when she meets the goal. She will have earned it.

Goal 2- drop another 2 dress sizes. If the ankles and feet are doing better, walk for exercise. Finish a 5k walk, and wear the t-shirt with pride. If the feet are still causing her problems, stick with the swimming/water aerobics, and do some cycling. Nice reward at the end of that too.

Goal 3- more weight loss, slightly different exercise routine.

Repeat until she’s at her goal size. Remind her that even if the weight seems to come off slowly, it’s still better to be heavy and active than heavy and sedentary, and you want her to have a healthy heart.

Mr. Tibbs: I truly admire this post. Now get ready for a long read.

This is a paradigm developed by Prochaska that you may have seen. This is a good outline for your understanding of where your wife might be at. It sounds like she is in the contemplation phase. Precontemplation Uninformed about the risk and need for change, uninterested in changing behavior Contemplation Thinking about change in the near future (next six months) Preparation Ready to make a change in the next month Action Implementation of specific action plans for six months Maintenance Continuation of desirable actions for greater than six months, or repeating periodic recommended step(s) Relapse* Successfully accomplished a behavior change in the past, but later returned to the unhealthy behavior

I have some advice for you based on my experience with my mother, who has/had the same ‘stats’ as your wife. She used to be a very lean woman, but started to gain weight when she was 40. She is now 60, and at a serious risk for all kinds of health disorders. I am a medical professional, as well as an athlete, and have been encouraging her to change by getting into fitness for the past 10 years. I found that the more that I “encouraged” her (she regarded it as pushing her), the more she resisted, and the less she wanted to talk about it. Like your wife, my mother raised the issue repeatedly, so obviously she wanted to make a change. She joined many eating programs and gyms, and dropped out each time. My experience with my mother is that the drastic change of trying to alter both her eating and her level of activity was too extreme, and just zapped her of energy. Also, being around my sister and me (we are both athletes), is very intimidating. She thought that fitness meant 1+ hours per day of exercise, 6 days per week (and you know that we do MUCH more than that as triathletes). This is VERY exhausting and intimidating to anybody. My mother was also shy to go to the gym, because she was/is big, while there are so many teeny-tiny women walking around in skimpy clothing. So this is the background. Fast forward to 7 months ago.

After extensive research, my mother found a gym that she liked (it has a women’s only section). In her words, this is where the “fatties” go. Then, on my recommendation, she got herself a personal trainer, and was TOUGH with him. She had hired trainers in the past, but they were “TOO MUCH” - high energy, and had her working WAY to hard. As a result, she got injured and quit (relapse). This time, she told him exactly what she wanted, based on guidelines that I gave her. She informed her trainer of my education, and extensive experience with athletic physiology, so that he was aware that all would be run by me. The result has been fantastic. She has been going to the gym for 7 months, and having fun. FUN IS THE KEY. I told her that she needed a program that was LOW in weights (even if she was able to work harder). In general, the saying “no pain, no gain” is a crock of crap. She has not had any pain (just a little muscle stiffness, which is good), and no injuries. She works with her trainer doing very light weights and light intensity aerobics on the bike and treadmill. You can see the fat starting to drop. It is slow, but she is getting fitter, and you can tell.

Ultimately, I believe that this 7-month success is a result of 3 things over and above my mothers desire to change. First, she has realized that you don’t need to go to the gym 6, 5 or even 4 days a week. You can go for 1, 2 or 3 times a week for 20/30 minutes, have fun, and still see a change (she now goes ~3x per week for 1 hour). Plus if she only goes once in the week, she doesn’t beat herself up about it. Second, her personal trainer. He does not push her too hard, and is kind of like a training partner. She makes the commitement to meet him, and they have fun. Finally, the intensity of the exercise has been perfect. Unlike the crazy training that we do, which makes us tired and useless, her workouts actually do make her feel better! She is not sore or tired, but feels revived and stronger (not to mention the weight loss). She has a very active life in general, as she still works full time, and has two dogs that she walks everyday for at least 45 minutes. This extra gym time has made all the difference.

Final thoughts: My mother is not a “cold turkey” person when it comes to her weight loss. Too many times she would say: “That’s it, tomorrow I start exercising for one hour a day and eating healthy”, probably modeled after my sister and me. This would quickly fail, obviously. It sounds like your wife might be similar, and need small changes. I’m so proud of my mother now, even though she has not lost a ton of weight, she is going in the right direction. I don’t offer much/any input anymore, I just ask her how her workout was, and she usually says “fun”. Again, FUN is the key - otherwise why do it at all?

Anyway, I hope that this long winded story has helped you out a bit.

Mr. Tibbs,

I was hoping for dating advice…

I think the advice you have gotten is awesome. The two things I wanted to mention were:

  1. the book by Bill Phillips “Body for Life”. the working out part might be a little too much for someone just starting out or not sure where to go, but the diet part is awesome. It teaches eating clean which is the first step to weight loss.

  2. The website http://www.leanandstrong.com Lot’s of great examples (including pictures) of real people that have lost weight and lots of folks giving support. Check it out for motivation!

Mike

This hits so close to home - I was the 5’ 11", 304 lb wife back in December 2000. My husband loved me very dearly (and still does!) but wished that he could help me lose weight too. I had really packed on the pounds due to a very stressful job and lack of exercise combined with poor eating habits. Everytime I would complain about my feet, ankles or leg hurting, he would try to gently suggest that perhaps losing some weight would help. Just like your wife, I would shut him down. I was so frustrated that my attempts to lose weight (and keep it off) had previously failed. I had tried diets and drugs (fen-phen, anti-depressants) but they didn’t work for long and I felt that I was just destined to end up like my mother who was always very obese and died of heart problems at 74. I truly wanted to lose weight but just couldn’t see a way out of the hole I had dug for myself.

Now 3 years later, I am 172 lbs (but look about 150 lbs - no one, even my doctor, can accurately guess my weight), a triathlete, bike racer, masters swimmer who doesn’t touch fast food, anything with transfats or high-fructose corn syrup. How did I get here? It all started in my head. JANUARY 2001: The first thing that happened was I fell while carrying some computer equipment and broke a front tooth. As part of the dental work they suggested bleaching my teeth. When I picked up the bleaching kit, they said I would have to avoid tea, coffee and cola OR brush after I drank the stuff. At that point I was probably drinking 5-6 cans of Coke a day to get through my insane work schedule & lack of sleep. It quickly became a hassle to brush that often so I switched to water. Amazingly I lost 15 pounds without changing anything else in my diet.

Then my father had a horrible recovery from hip surgery and wasn’t able to walk for several months (he got all messed up in his head - either mini-strokes or the drugs from surgery - no one knows for sure). He is taller than me but weighs 160 lbs. Trying to transfer him from a wheelchair to the bed when he wasn’t able to work with us was a real eye-opener. I thought that if it was so hard to move someone a slender as him, it would be a real effort to move me if something should happen. But taking care of him didn’t leave me anytime to pursue exercise, but it did make me realize I had to cut back on my workload and over the course of the year I got rid of many clients. JUNE 2001: When he went into rehab (and did learn to walk again), I made a comittment to just get to the health club twice a week, no matter what I did when I got there. Sometimes I just did the elliptical machine, other times walked on the track or lifted hand weights.

SEPT 2001, After he was recovering, he decided he wanted to live independently again. I didn’t think it was a good idea, but wasn’t strong enough to stand up to him. I started to learn to stand up to him when he almost killed us both while practicing to get his car license back. He drove us into a detention pond. By the grace of God, I managed to get out of the car (the doors lock automatically when the engine is turned on) and got around to pull him out before the car was completely filled with water. He was so unaware of what was happening that he first words were that we needed to get a tow truck. “NO, we need to get the fire department to get you out of this pond since you can’t walk without a walker”. I still have nightmares about being trapped in the car and feeling the water coming up around my legs. As I was settling things with the insurance company, he said he wanted to buy another car. “No, you can’t because they won’t ever give you a license again because you almost killed us”. Fortunately, that was the end of the driving idea. But he was still living by himself. After wearing myself out going back and forth (1 hour each way), to do shopping & laundry, I finally got him to move when he slipped off the bed and and couldn’t get up. I had just spent the whole day there and now I had to drive back there again. Something just snapped in me and I spent the entire car drive venting to my husband that something had to change because I couldn’t go on with situation this way any longer. When I got to his place, I made sure he was safe and BEFORE I helped him up I told him he had 3 choices: 1) move closer to me, 2) move to assisted living, 3) have a live-in caregiver. He choose option 2.

At some point during 2001, I realized that I was tired of waking up every morning feeling like an 80 year-old (and not an in-shape one!). I had turned 40 and thought that I didn’t want to spend the rest of my life like this.

DECEMBER 2001: Dad is now moved to assisted living and I started a women & weights program at the gym. I’ve always read that weight training results in a better self-image of yourself if you can stick it out for 6 weeks. By mid January, I was feeling better about myself and was finally ready to tackle my eating habits. At first I just focused on calories (using software from www.dietpower.com). The weight started to come of steadily as I got my portions down to reasonable amounts. As the weight dropped, I started trying new things at the gym - water aerobics, step class, spin class, etc. By the summer I was back outside riding my bike again (my lifelong passion). In July, I started running again (well a lot of walking with bursts of jogging!). By September I had done a century on the bike (actually the ride had bonus miles so it was 108 miles!). November marked my first 10K. I was down to 200 lbs by January 2003. By the end of 2003, I was down to my current weight. I really started to focus more on the quality of my diet in 2003 and have recently gotten the processed foods out of my diet. My mindset is now that I will do anything to stay feeling as good as I feel right now. I will not go back to the dark side and regain the weight even if it means I have to monitor what I eat everyday for the rest of my life.

So enough about me and my thought process during my remake. Odds are there is something (or numerous factors) in your wife’s life that is making her turn to food for comfort. Do you have children? Does she have parents that she is taking care of? A stressful job? Is she able to say NO to demanding people (that was a HUGE change for me to learn to say NO and mean it). What types of food does she eat? What are your eating habits like? My husband still eats more junk that I think he should, but he has improved after watching what I have done and has lost 20+ lbs himself.

Remember, the desire to change has to come from within, you can only be there to help support and encourage the changes. A lot of the other replies you got have good suggestions for easing into fitness, but she has to decide for herself that she doesn’t want to live this way anymore.

Please write back if you have any further questions. I would love to be able to help your wife see that it isn’t too late, she can make positive changes and feel so much better every day. It can be done and I am living proof of it.

Regina

Mr. Tibbs,

First of all, a very brave post on your part.

When I married my wife she was very fit and active, after 16 years and two kids she gained about 80lbs. During that same time frame I got fitter and fitter, lost 40lbs, etc. From a fit-man’s perspective, it’s very hard to watch your loved one go through this.

First and foremost, I’m worried about her health. I love her and would never leave her, but I also never understood her lack of action.

Society is not kind to obese people. I recently read a study where they showed 2 pictures of a couple to a bunch of test subjects. In one picture both the man and woman are both fit. They asked the respondants what was their perception of the woman in the picture. Responses came back that they thought the woman was among other things, intelligent and successful. In the second picture the man (same man as the first picture) was fit and the woman was obese. The responses came back and said the woman was, among other things lazy and unintelligent. Now here’s the interesting part. They also asked for perceptions of the MAN in the pictures. A man with a fit woman was thought of favorably. The same man with an obese woman was thought of as a loser! All respondants to the questions were WOMEN. Thanks ladies! :slight_smile:

Back to your question. I speak from personal experience. There is NOTHING you can do. I have come to that conclusion. I’ve tried being supportive. I’ve tried being a coach. I’ve tried doing nothing. I’ve tried being a motivator. I’ve tried negative methods (those really don’t work!).

She is not going to change until she is ready and there is nothing you can do except be supportive in a positive way.

My wife seems to be finally committed to changing. She started 5 weeks ago and has lost 12 lbs so far. She’s doing great. She picked up a copy of Dr. Phil’s Ultimate Weightloss Challenge book. I highly recommend your wife get this book. Go to http://www.drphil.com/ for details of this program. This book helps you deal with the reasons you are overweight to start with.

Bottom line, she has to do it. All you can do is love her.

-TxDude

I have to say this worked for me as well this last year. After finishing grad school lab work and moving East to New Jersey to be with my wife in October 2002, I did the post-grad school bounce and gained 20 pounds in less than six months. This put me at 30 pounds over my old racing weight. 170 pounds and 5’ 4" results in much huffing and puffing to just bend over and tie shoe laces. Even though I had a twenty plus year history of running, marathons and triathlons, running at that point was entirely out of the question. I started back by walking the dog through the entire neighborhood for 45 to 60 minutes at a time around Christmas 2002. A month later, I dragged out the bike trainer and bike. Very uncomfortable to sit on that small saddle with all that weight, sessions lasted only 35-40 minutes. Running started in February. Five pounds off by April. Swimming in May. Twelve pounds off by end of June. No special diet changes, just reduced some of the empty calories, highly processed foods. 150 pounds by October and the Marine Corp marathon (really heavy for a marathon for me). Having got signed up for IMC this year, I have committed full bore to a full time training schedule, which has gotten me back (as of last week) to my racing weight.

Small steps. Literally walk before you run

Intermediate goals. E.g. walk comfortably for 45 minutes.

Everyone’s pace will vary.

Prior athletic experience doesn’t help in the beginning, you are too heavy to move athletically, so everyone really starts on a level field in that sense. Prior experience does help when you get moving again as experience will tell you it does get less difficult as your conditioning progresses.

As for the dog? My wife loves walking the lunatic.

I second Weight Watchers. I lost 20 pounds on their points plan (before I was doing triathlons) and they made it pretty easy. No crazy list of foods you can’t have.

A friend here at work is going to Curves and loves it. Very women-friendly and only 30 minutes/day. Great start for a couch potato.

Right after reading y’alls repiles I got a call from my wife. She wants me to go with her to our local rec center and look at the workout stuff with her. I have already seen the place, a circa 1983 machine wieght station and some broken down treadmills, so I’m just going to go and look it over pronounce it pretty good and let the gears turn in her mind.

Is the supportive hands off approach the best? It seem from all the faboo replys y’all gave me it is. Well keep your fingers crossed.

Thanks tons everyone! You guy rawk!!!

Good luck.

Mr. Tibbs,

Here is a thought if the rec center is a bit outdated or too overwhelming for your wife to realistically do. There is a nation wide chain of fitness centers designed just for women who don’t have a lot of time or don’t know where to start - it’s called Curves. They are popping up all over (at least in the Chicagoland area) and are typically found in a strip mall setting. It is a 30 minute work out which takes the individual through a circuit on machines and doing some minimal cardio. The machines are all resistance machines that require no changing of weights from person to person. There is a period of three minutes on which the person uses the machine and then a bell sounds and everyone doing the circuit moves to the next station. It may not be the most exciting, but I know of MANY women who are losing inches and feeling great about themselves. The staff weighs you and measures you every month (if you want) so you can see your progress. This is a program geared to do 3x per week, although some go more often. Here is a link to the website to see if anything like this is in your area. http://www.curvesinternational.com/

Good luck to your wife!

Although it’s the kind of program I would normally not prescribe, Curves has been incredible in getting women to workout that never would have stepped in the gym. A great suggestion. Again, the best program is one that she will enjoy and stick with! Good luck!

I’m not a lady either, but I’ve just finished a spreadsheet you might be interested in. I wanted to know how long it would take me to burn off a kilo of fat doing various modes of exercise, so I got various data from the web and arranged it into a spreadsheet. Obviously it’s theoretical, and your mileage my vary, but it may be a useful tool to set realistic goals or to give an idea of what can be accomplished through exercise.

You can download it from my site here:

http://donncha.com/archives/000127.html

Yep, they had a big human interest story on the Curves phenomenon on TV last week here in Oz.