Labor Day Union Thread

Here’s a start, the author’s perspective ends up being about what mine is:

New labor move is anti-biz, jobs
STEVE HUNTLEY shuntley.cst@gmail.com September 2, 2011 1:56AM
Updated: September 2, 2011 2:15AM

In another job, with another employer, at another time many years ago, I was a union activist. I edited a union newspaper, recruited new members and promoted the union whenever I could. Then I became its grievance chairman.
For 2½ years I spent 95 percent of my union-work time defending the incompetents, the lazy, the malingers and the malcontents. And they got paid the same as my fellow workers who showed up every day and gave their all to the job. What’s more, I saw how union rules frustrated management innovations to improve our journalistic product.

A few years later I moved on to another journalistic enterprise without a union. I saw merit pay raises given to the hard workers, no salary hikes to those who didn’t or couldn’t do the job, and eventual dismissal of anyone who couldn’t measure up to the demands of the magazine. Thus began my journey from liberal to conservative.
That’s not the story you’d expect to hear as we approach the day designated to celebrate the labor movement. And labor does have a great history of men and women risking their jobs and their lives to redress deplorable working conditions, capricious and arbitrary pay scales, and exploitative employers.
For the most part, that belongs to another era. A legacy of past union victories and the reasonable government work rules they inspired is that today’s bosses generally understand that fair pay and working conditions make for better employees, more productivity and a superior bottom line. This change in attitude is part of the reason — though not the only one — that the percentage of private sector employees in unions fell to 6.9 percent last year, the lowest in more than a century, according to the New York Times.

I don’t say there are no places where unions wouldn’t be good. But if deplorable working conditions and exploitative bosses were common, unions would have no trouble finding brave men and women to advance the union cause. That’s not the case. Workers see how unions have undermined the competitiveness of industries — think of the once Big Three automakers — and eroded long-term job security.
So, to reverse the decline in union fortunes, the labor movement has turned to its Democratic friends in government to put a thumb on the scales to tip the balance against employers. Labor’s chief goal coming out of the 2008 election was a “card check” proposal to eliminate the secret ballot in union certification votes. It was a bridge too far even though Democrats had overwhelming majorities in Congress because conservative Democrats couldn’t swallow such an anti-democratic and anti-business measure. It would have opened the way for union thugs to muscle employees to sign union cards to win certification.
In the custom of the Obama administration turning to regulation to achieve what it can’t get through Congress, the National Labor Relations Board picked up the ball. It speeded up union representation election procedures to deny employers time to make their case and employees time to learn about all the implications of unionization. The NLRB ordered that employers must post notices — with the agency’s bureaucrats dictating the poster’s dimensions, color and type size — about the right to unionize. Another NLRB ruling allows unions to cherry pick employees in nursing homes to participate in union representation elections in order to improve the chances of a yes vote.

The most notorious NLRB pro-union action is its effort to prevent Boeing from building a new jetliner-construction plant in South Carolina, a right-to-work state.
The NLRB is the vanguard of anti-business Democrats in Washington. Their agenda discourages business investment and job creation. It’s a fundamental road block to reducing the nation’s persistently high unemployment rate. This Labor Day would be a happier one if millions more Americans were engaged in productive labor.

If Republicans love this country as much as they say they do, there is a lot they could do to hammer the shit out of Obama and the Democrats right now.

But they are just sitting back and enjoying watching Obama and the democrats squirm while everything falls to pieces for the rest of us.

That is hardly Patriotic, but it is political gamesmanship of the highest order = The Stall Tactic

Which means there is a one year gap of complete innaction, while one side holds out for the other side to fail and The People end up suffering.

Say what you want but unions keep the wellfare rate down, I work in a union shop and let me tell you there are some messed up idiots that would never have a job if not for the union. So god bless the f…ing union!!

It is pretty pathetic all around. Six months ago, I expected Boehner to absolutely hammer the Senate and the White House with his agenda. Just passing his bills in the House every single day, then bringing the specific bills to the public light when the Senate or Obama sits on them and does nothing. It’s a freaking game to these people.

Damn!!

I asked the GF out for dinner and a movie but she said she was not in compliance with the WCIRB (workers compensation insurance rating bureau) classification for her baby sitter/nanny.

Further, she failed to provide a certificate (dec page) of workers comp insurance for her babysitter. Further, she had no plan to hire a back-up babysitter while primary was on a break. Neither did she have WC coverage for her subcontractor.

Thanks Obama!!

I typically drift republican/conservative.

But I think they are bleeding Obama and the democrats for all that they are worth, and it might not be very well played.

I see the wisdom in watching your enemy destroy themselves,

I do not see the wisdom in watching the same thing when they destroy not only themselves, but everyone else.

I have a sense that Republicans are perfectly fine with this mess. The worse it gets, the better it is for them as they feed off of Obama’s miscalcu;ations.

I don’t see any patriotism or standing up for the private sector, non union, blue collar working man from Republicans. And that is, at this point, very frustrating

Say what you want but unions keep the wellfare rate down, I work in a union shop and let me tell you there are some messed up idiots that would never have a job if not for the union. So god bless the f…ing union!!

Ha! I actually voted to go union in my workplace recently (lost in a very close vote). I’m happy unions are still around, just think they’ve morphed to something that is less useful, and also think they should not be in the govt sector.

Hard to say, but I’ve mentioned too that pubs may block legislation for politics sake. I’ll be looking closely at what Obama offers (actually offers, not just says in a speech), to see if it looks like good ideas that are being rejected for no good reason. It’s a tough thing though, because if Obama stepped back (I don’t think he will) and allowed congress to make changes that were good for the economy, then Obama gets four more years of having his agencies regulate the snot out of our economy, then it could be a bad thing.

Unions had their time and place.

It is disconcerting that they can have the government try and block Boeing from opening their SC plant.

It is also disconcerting that the unions have backed the shooting of a non-union business owner in Toledo, Ohio.

Say what you want but unions keep the wellfare rate down, I work in a union shop and let me tell you there are some messed up idiots that would never have a job if not for the union. So god bless the f…ing union!!

Unbelievable…your case for the union is a perfect example of why they are detrimental to businesses, productivity and the nation at large. Why should a messed up idiot get a cushy job just because he is in a union. Give that job to someone who will do it well.

Say what you want but unions keep the wellfare rate down, I work in a union shop and let me tell you there are some messed up idiots that would never have a job if not for the union. So god bless the f…ing union!!

Unbelievable…your case for the union is a perfect example of why they are detrimental to businesses, productivity and the nation at large. Why should a messed up idiot get a cushy job just because he is in a union. Give that job to someone who will do it well.

I was being sarcastic, we actually have someone who calls in drunk no shit she did it twice last year but all we can do is write her up and if she does it 3 times in a 12 month period then we can fire her but of course she doesn’t. They have this down to science they know exactly what they can get away with with out getting fired, we stopped suspending people because to them it was just 3 days off with pay some would try to get suspended on purpose just to try and get a 5 day weekend, we have someone on modified duty because he can’t lift, he rides a huge Harley to work that has to weigh 1000 pounds, shit I could write a book.

I generally support the right of the people to unionize, only because it protects unskilled workers. In fields like manufacturing and education (the first is a job which requires no skill, the second is a job where that skill is not valued), it is to the company’s benefit to fire off their older workers and replace them with young one’s who are not yet financially responsible.

Having said that, unions tend to foster an environment of unambition where the only way to “succeed” is by doing the least amount of work possible for the same pay (instead of working harder to achive more pay).

I weighed in because I had an interesting conversation this weekend regarding music. A musician friend told me, “you succeed in music because you apply the same skills that you use at your job and in your training/coaching.” It was then that I realized that the lack of effort by 2 bandmates of mine are a direct relfection of the skills that they’d learned in their union jobs, which is to get by with as little work as possible. It’s not so much the lack of work that I found annoying, but that there is a very pointed attitude toward the lack of work. To actually work on something and improve it, with the only goal being “to sound better”, is the habit of a “sucker,” or someone who just wants to make everyone else look bad.

Occasionally I’ll catch some work conversation (they work together) about making sure the young new guys learn “the program” (how to not do work) and they are sure to identify who the “snitches” are.

…and then you get to hear the talk about how hard they work.

I asked the GF out for dinner and a movie but she said she was not in compliance with the WCIRB (workers compensation insurance rating bureau) classification for her baby sitter/nanny.

Further, she failed to provide a certificate (dec page) of workers comp insurance for her babysitter. Further, she had no plan to hire a back-up babysitter while primary was on a break. Neither did she have WC coverage for her subcontractor.

Dating a single mother? And here I was thinking you were one of the ones with common sense.

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Occasionally I’ll catch some work conversation (they work together) about making sure the young new guys learn “the program” (how to not do work) and they are sure to identify who the “snitches” are.

…and then you get to hear the talk about how hard they work.

i worked in a factory my first summer out of high school and half of the summer after my freshman year that was union. it was amazing how little work was done at this factory. they made bushing and bearings for john deere and caterpillar. i filled in for people that were out sick or on vacation all over the factory. i got “the lesson” from a guy when he got back b/c i did too many parts per hour. he said that i had to slow down b/c if i didn’t the rate would be increased. he told me that if i didn’t, he would go to his supervisor and tell him that there was no way i could inspect that many parts and must have been doing a bad job. then he would start looking at the parts i inspected and claim i passed parts that weren’t good. all of this so he could continue to be lazy and not work.
this was the laziest factory of the 3 i worked at over the summers. it’s now closed.

Ain’t no way in hell Obama will be re-elected…maybe…

But one year is a really long time for the GOP to be salivating over his demise, especially in this economy where things are going to shit. If Obama is so powerful that the GOP is paralyzed from making things better than they should chat it up. But they should try, with whatever influence they have, to spend at least as much time trying to make things better as they do in attacking Obama.

I for one am not seeing it. And I think it has the possibility of being a fatal error on the part of the GOP.