Just the Facts (or not)

Obama did it on the campaign trail and continues now as president to “fudge the facts” or just flat out lie. Why people are so enthralled with him is beyond me.

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama knows Americans are unhappy that the government could rescue people who bought mansions beyond their means.
But his assurance Tuesday night that only the deserving will get help rang hollow.
Even officials in his administration, many supporters of the plan in Congress and the Federal Reserve chairman expect some of that money will go to people who used lousy judgment.
The president skipped over several complex economic circumstances in his speech to Congress – and may have started an international debate among trivia lovers and auto buffs over what country invented the car.
A look at some of his assertions:
OBAMA: “We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages. It’s a plan that won’t help speculators or that neighbor down the street who bought a house he could never hope to afford, but it will help millions of Americans who are struggling with declining home values.”
THE FACTS: If the administration has come up with a way to ensure money only goes to those who got in honest trouble, it hasn’t said so.
Defending the program Tuesday at a Senate hearing, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said it’s important to save those who made bad calls, for the greater good. He likened it to calling the fire department to put out a blaze caused by someone smoking in bed.
“I think the smart way to deal with a situation like that is to put out the fire, save him from his own consequences of his own action but then, going forward, enact penalties and set tougher rules about smoking in bed.”
Similarly, the head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. suggested this month it’s not likely aid will be denied to all homeowners who overstated their income or assets to get a mortgage they couldn’t afford.
“I think it’s just simply impractical to try to do a forensic analysis of each and every one of these delinquent loans,” Sheila Bair told National Public Radio.

OBAMA: “And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it.”
THE FACTS: Depends what your definition of automobiles, is. According to the Library of Congress, the inventor of the first true automobile was probably Germany’s Karl Benz, who created the first auto powered by an internal combustion gasoline engine, in 1885 or 1886. In the U.S., Charles Duryea tested what library researchers called the first successful gas-powered car in 1893. Nobody disputes that Henry Ford created the first assembly line that made cars affordable.

OBAMA: “We have known for decades that our survival depends on finding new sources of energy. Yet we import more oil today than ever before.”
THE FACTS: Oil imports peaked in 2005 at just over 5 billion barrels, and have been declining slightly since. The figure in 2007 was 4.9 billion barrels, or about 58 percent of total consumption. The nation is on pace this year to import 4.7 billion barrels, and government projections are for imports to hold steady or decrease a bit over the next two decades.

OBAMA: “We have already identified $2 trillion in savings over the next decade.”
THE FACTS: Although 10-year projections are common in government, they don’t mean much. And at times, they are a way for a president to pass on the most painful steps to his successor, by putting off big tax increases or spending cuts until someone else is in the White House.
Obama only has a real say on spending during the four years of his term. He may not be president after that and he certainly won’t be 10 years from now.

OBAMA: “Regulations were gutted for the sake of a quick profit at the expense of a healthy market. People bought homes they knew they couldn’t afford from banks and lenders who pushed those bad loans anyway. And all the while, critical debates and difficult decisions were put off for some other time on some other day.”
THE FACTS: This may be so, but it isn’t only Republicans who pushed for deregulation of the financial industries. The Clinton administration championed an easing of banking regulations, including legislation that ended the barrier between regular banks and Wall Street banks. That led to a deregulation that kept regular banks under tight federal regulation but extended lax regulation of Wall Street banks. Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, later an economic adviser to candidate Obama, was in the forefront in pushing for this deregulation.

OBAMA: “In this budget, we will end education programs that don’t work and end direct payments to large agribusinesses that don’t need them. We’ll eliminate the no-bid contracts that have wasted billions in Iraq, and reform our defense budget so that we’re not paying for Cold War-era weapons systems we don’t use. We will root out the waste, fraud and abuse in our Medicare program that doesn’t make our seniors any healthier, and we will restore a sense of fairness and balance to our tax code by finally ending the tax breaks for corporations that ship our jobs overseas.”
THE FACTS: First, his budget does not accomplish any of that. It only proposes those steps. That’s all a president can do, because control over spending rests with Congress. Obama’s proposals here are a wish list and some items, including corporate tax increases and cuts in agricultural aid, will be a tough sale in Congress.
Second, waste, fraud and abuse are routinely targeted by presidents who later find that the savings realized seldom amount to significant sums. Programs that a president might consider wasteful have staunch defenders in Congress who have fought off similar efforts in the past.

OBAMA: “Thanks to our recovery plan, we will double this nation’s supply of renewable energy in the next three years.”
THE FACTS: While the president’s stimulus package includes billions in aid for renewable energy and conservation, his goal is unlikely to be achieved through the recovery plan alone.
In 2007, the U.S. produced 8.4 percent of its electricity from renewable sources, including hydroelectric dams, solar panels and windmills. Under the status quo, the Energy Department says, it will take more than two decades to boost that figure to 12.5 percent.
If Obama is to achieve his much more ambitious goal, Congress would need to mandate it. That is the thrust of an energy bill that is expected to be introduced in coming weeks.

OBAMA: “Over the next two years, this plan will save or create 3.5 million jobs.”
THE FACTS: This is a recurrent Obama formulation. But job creation projections are uncertain even in stable times, and some of the economists relied on by Obama in making his forecast acknowledge a great deal of uncertainty in their numbers.
The president’s own economists, in a report prepared last month, stated, “It should be understood that all of the estimates presented in this memo are subject to significant margins of error.”
Beyond that, it’s unlikely the nation will ever know how many jobs are saved as a result of the stimulus. While it’s clear when jobs are abolished, there’s no economic gauge that tracks job preservation. The estimates are based on economic assumptions of how many jobs would be lost without the stimulus.

how dare you question the “one”!!! “O” shit!

Obama did it on the campaign trail and continues now as president to “fudge the facts” or just flat out lie. Why people are so enthralled with him is beyond me.


OBAMA: “Regulations were gutted for the sake of a quick profit at the expense of a healthy market. People bought homes they knew they couldn’t afford from banks and lenders who pushed those bad loans anyway. And all the while, critical debates and difficult decisions were put off for some other time on some other day.”
THE FACTS: This may be so, but it isn’t only Republicans who pushed for deregulation of the financial industries. The Clinton administration championed an easing of banking regulations, including legislation that ended the barrier between regular banks and Wall Street banks. That led to a deregulation that kept regular banks under tight federal regulation but extended lax regulation of Wall Street banks. Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, later an economic adviser to candidate Obama, was in the forefront in pushing for this deregulation.

Well, there you go. Here’s an instance of something Obama said that is neither fudging of the facts or a flat-out lie. Why is it in there? It’s because it presented an opportunity not to correct a mistaken statement, but to criticise the Democrats (“But Clinton…”). Obama’s statement didn’t assign blame, did it?

This shows the real purpose of this whole cut-and-paste: partisan BS.

Well, there you go. Here’s an instance of something Obama said that is neither fudging of the facts or a flat-out lie. Why is it in there? It’s because it presented an opportunity not to correct a mistaken statement, but to criticise the Democrats (“But Clinton…”). Obama’s statement didn’t assign blame, did it?

This shows the real purpose of this whole cut-and-paste: partisan BS.

I don’t think I would disagree that I am partisan on the matter of Mr Obama. You on the other hand would probably not be so honest.

Well, there you go. Here’s an instance of something Obama said that is neither fudging of the facts or a flat-out lie. Why is it in there? It’s because it presented an opportunity not to correct a mistaken statement, but to criticise the Democrats (“But Clinton…”). Obama’s statement didn’t assign blame, did it?

This shows the real purpose of this whole cut-and-paste: partisan BS.

I don’t think I would disagree that I am partisan on the matter of Mr Obama. You on the other hand would probably not be so honest.
Honest people don’t try to pass off partisan BS as “facts.”

Seriously half of this likely cut and pasted POS is calling Obama a liar for taking a position on a topic that is open for debate and the other half is arguing semantics, no wonder there have been so few responses:

  1. “Depends what your definition of automobiles” - Ok Obama and his speech writers took a stance that based on their definition
    of what an automobile is we invented, which you say is open for debate. Thats a stance that may differ
    from yours, not a lie or exageration.

  2. “Oil imports peaked in 2005 at just over 5 billion barrels, and have been declining slightly since” - Seriously we are using a
    butt load of oil regardless even if according to your numbers we have reduced consumption a couple of % points since the
    absolute peak.

  3. "Although 10-year projections are common in government, they don’t mean much…Obama only has a real say on spending
    during the four years of his term. He may not be president after that and he certainly won’t be 10 years from now. " - A little
    ironic that when starting a thread about facts you start off an arguement with “they don’t mean much”. As for this being a lie
    you have not said that he can’t get an excel schedule to show you the savings and that if his plans are followed they wouldn’t
    result in the savings promised, so basically your (I am using "your’ loosely since you just cut and copied this without taking the
    time to add your own thoughts) point is that he is lying because he will not be president in 10 years. Was JFK lying
    in 1961 when he said we would put a man on the moon by the end of the decade? He wouldn’t be president then, but I
    challenge you to call him a liar.

  4. “Regulations were gutted…” - To which you stated as fact “This may be so”. I’m a little confused is this a lie you agree with?
    Next.

  5. “In this budget” - Seriously there is not ONE single fact in your “Facts” section. It is 100% your opinion.

  6. “Thanks to our recovery plan…” - Your fact is that “Congress would need to mandate it” and the next line is “That is the
    thrust of an energy bill that is expected to be introduced in coming weeks.” So what you are saying needs to happen in order
    to achieve the renewable energy goal is about to happen, I don’t see the lie. Also you are assuming that “recovery plan” and
    Stimulus are the same, when in fact the Stimulus may be part of a larger overall plan which includes things like, I don’t know
    the energy bill that is expected to be introduced.

  7. “But job creation projections are uncertain even in stable times, and some of the economists relied on by Obama in making his
    forecast acknowledge a great deal of uncertainty in their numbers.” - Again this is opinion and Obama has taken the stance
    that it will and since only “some” of his economists have taken the position that their is uncertainty, not all of them have so he
    has decided to take the position of those that believe it will work.

  8. “It’s not likely aid will be denied to all homeowners who overstated their income” - This is the only point that I will somewhat
    agree with you on. As I stated when starting off the Foreclosure Fix thread I need a lot more info about who and how before I
    am on board with it.

By my count your “Facts” have shown zero lies, and in serveral instances actually acknowledge he wasn’t.