Who is now suppose to support this family until their kids become adults? If we are going to make significant changes to the way we live we need to directly address the impact of spending for social programs…
(CBS) CBS News has learned that the family of the octuplets born this week outside Los Angeles filed for bankruptcy and abandoned a home a little over a year-and-a-half ago.
Early Show national correspondent Hattie Kauffman says the mother is in her mid-thirties and lives with her parents.
There’s been no mention of the octuplets’ father, Kauffman observes.
The grandfather, she adds, is apparently going to head back to his native Iraq to earn money for the growing family. He told CBS News he’s a former Iraqi military man.
Kauffman reported Thursday, and the octuplets’ maternal grandmother now confirms to the Los Angeles Times, that the babies’ mother already had six young children.
there are a couple of disturbing problems with that mother who just had the octuplets:
the doctor who did the procedure should lose his license (not shocking - Kaiser Permanente has a pretty bad reputation within the medical community as a company who performs substandard care). Due to many reasons, physicians just don’t implant as many eggs as he obviously did any more.
the lady epitomizes the need for social engineering You have 6 children - why in the heck are you TRYING to get pregnant again (using a methodology that has a very high percentage of multiple births)?
It’s an example of why unwed poor mother’s shouldn’t have 14 kids.
I agree, however, I’d also offer that one reason that many “unwed, poor mothers” have more kids is to avail themselves of the additional welfare $'s that they receive by doing so.
How the heck did they pay for the fertility treatments? I can’t imagine a health care co paying a claim for fertility treatment when you already have six kids!
I’d also offer that one reason that many “unwed, poor mothers” have more kids is to avail themselves of the additional welfare $'s that they receive by doing so.
If family planning and contraception is made available to welfare recipients, I don’t see why it shouldn’t be included in the terms of enrollment: Pre-existing dependents are covered, future dependents are not - including dependents acquired during a period of absence from the welfare roll - barring verifiable cases of rape or incest.
Let me understand one thing…Things are so good in Iraq, maybe even better than in the US, the the Grandfater is returning to earn $$ to support his family? Did I get that right?
Who’s footing the bill for the 6 originally, and now the additional 8. I feel people should be able to have as many kids as they see fit. I do however believe that I shouldn’t have to help support them, especially in cases like this.
physicians just don’t implant as many eggs as he obviously did any more.
There doesn’t seem to be any information on how many embryos were transferred. Industry standard was three, but is moving toward two. Our fertility clinic refused to transfer more than two, based on that data that shows no significant increase in percentage of live births between the two, but a significant increase in multiples when transferring more than two.
It seems a bit odd that a mother of 6 would undergo IVF in the first place, but everyone has their reasons, and it’s not for anyone to judge (unless they end up on the welfare roll, in which case I’ll be the first to don the powdered wig and black robe.)
I’m in the have as many kids as you can afford camp. I have not yet seen if taxpayers are helping pay for the birth or care for the kids, I’d be against that. Cost was my first thought when I heard they used 4 delivery rooms and 46 staff to deliver the babies, the babies are still in the hospital now racking up daily charges…again, no problem if the costs are privately paid.
“I feel people should be able to have as many kids as they see fit. I do however believe that I shouldn’t have to help support them, especially in cases like this.”
The problem is, we simply don’t have the stomach for starving kids or kids dying on the streets of malnutrition and disease. So, if we’re going to allow people to have as many kids as they want, then we are obligating ourselves to ensure someone takes care of those kids. Whether it’s in the form of welfare checks to the mother, or taking the kids away and placing them in the foster system, we are incurring expense either way.
Now, if you are fine with people having as many kids as they want, and are also fine with those kids living in abject squalor and dying of untreated disease and malnutrition, then I guess that’s more consistent with the quote above.
If family planning and contraception is made available to welfare recipients, I don’t see why it shouldn’t be included in the terms of enrollment: Pre-existing dependents are covered, future dependents are not - including dependents acquired during a period of absence from the welfare roll - barring verifiable cases of rape or incest.
"I’ll leave now and leave the problems of the world to all you guys who have all the answers then. "
No offense intended, and I certainly don’t have all the answers. It’s a conundrum. I don’t like the idea of doling out money to people too stupid or lazy to plan their lives correctly either. On the other hand, I am not ok with simply not supporting those kids, which means I have to be willing for some of my tax dollars to do that. There’s no perfect solution.
I’m with you, slowguy. If life is sacred and people want to protect it, particularly children, then we as a society are obligated to provide care when they need protection. We can’t have it both ways.
The problem is you can’t have it both ways which is what we have now.
If the state, AKA you and me, has to pay for raising the kids, then the state should say how they are raised. Either you have parental rights and you raise your kids, or you don’t.
We are WAY to lenient on parents that don’t want to be parents but want us to pay for them being parents.
In short, if she needs state aid for raising these kids they should be taken away now because living in a household with 14 other kids generally not “The best of conditions”.
You have 6 children - why in the heck are you TRYING to get pregnant again (using a methodology that has a very high percentage of multiple births)?