I envy your daily experience if Charlie Kirk has never crossed your timeline. He’s central to Turning Point USA if I’m not mistaken. Younger “trad conservative” Christian influencer basically, with a flair for the -isms.
https://x.com/patriottakes/status/1749934177548669218?s=46&t=f4MKbkOzpNU_o_bXlnvUlQ
I was surprised to see him reach the level of Don Jr. circle of influence but I guess that’s where we are now.
I had no idea who he was either. Heard the name, but never seen his show or could pick him out of a crowd.
As an aside, I find it kind of funny watching young alpha bro types spout off about traditional family values and how relationship dynamics should work.
I saw some clips of two idiots who’s name I can’t recall (Fresh and fruity? Fresh and something or other) talking about how gender roles in relationships should work. Their views amounted to ‘women should shut up and stay in the kitchen, and be supportive of their mans’.
I couldn’t help but think that those two guys, at the tender age of 22 or so, probably don’t have 6 months of serious romantic relationship experience between them, and how taking advice from them on that subject is like getting your financial advice from a guy who’s investment experience consists of trading pokemon cards at recess.
There is definitely a “trad wife” movement on the social media right lately. This ties into Kirk’s anti-feminism sphere of Christian conservative influence. It’s not surprising that beta bros with no real world relationship experience latch onto this idea of them being honored and celebrated and rightful leader of the family they don’t have.
My sister in law, bless her heart, lives in that world; her instagram would make you gag. It’s as phony and superficial as the opposite end of social media relationships where everything is glamorous all the time.
As I read through this thread, I keep seeing the goal posts move on this topic.
Should Joe be criticized? It’s literally the entire point of this thread. 100% of the people here all agree that Joe deserves criticism.
This specific subthread was about how it’s a bad idea for the left to deliberately smear and antagonize centrists, which is exactly what happened with the Ivermectin story. Criticism? Yes. A disingenuous piece attacking him using misleading information? Bad idea.
There is a difference between running a story telling everyone that Joe is taking Ivermectin and that there was no evidence that it was effective, and that people should be getting vaccines instead, and that Joe is prone to believe in alternative medicine, and that that is bad, and that Joe’s behavior is dangerous for public health, and a whole bunch of other criticism that would be honest and fair journalism.
There’s a difference between that and running a story claiming that he was taking horse dewormer.
And to those that keep arguing that it is horse dewormer, you are simply wrong. If you had liver for dinner, that doesn’t mean you ate dog food, and if CNN ran a story telling everyone that you ate dog food, knowing full well that you bought liver from the human section of the grocery store but neglected to include it in their piece of “professional journalism,” yes, it would be a smear piece and everyone should expect you to be reasonably unhappy with them.
Never heard of Mel Robbins, either. I feel very out of touch.
I’ve heard of 3 out of the top 10 podcasts. I had no idea that Theo Von was the top comedy podcast. I feel a bit sickened that Tucker Carlson is in the top 10.
i’ve seen him called a fascist by a very hardcore lefty
i enjoy his scientists but the politicians and public figures are often a no go
I think you make some decent points.
But on the spectrum of smear journalism and the general spreading of harmful lies, l would say Rogan beats the CNN “horse dewormer” thing by a long shot. A very, very long shot.
I never got right wing vibes from him, but with audience capture and such who knows these days.
What he’s always been is so open minded he gives everyone a huge benefit of the doubt, to a ridiculous degree. Including Putin. Probably Trump too. I’d guess that’s what has got him labelled right wing.
And that, in a nutshell, is why the left and any party that ties itself to them will continue to lose against the right wing message for the foreseeable future.
Labelling Lex Friedman as a fascist is just being comically ignorant.
I see Thiswasit’s point about him being too doe eyed and giving everyone a bit too much room to work. If you want to see two people argue, or someone owning someone else in conversational battle, he’s not the one to listen to. His interview with Trump was particularly bad for this, as you could tell by his reaction Lex didn’t agree with a lot of the nonsense DT was spouting, but instead of countering would just pause and emotionlessly move on to the next subject.
I totally agree. Duffy mentioned elsewhere that in our generation’s youth, being a rebel was skateboarding, mohawks, tattoos etc. Now it’s going to the gym and wearing a polo, and I think the whole trad movement kind of runs parallel to that line of thinking. I largely agree with that sentiment.
My wife listens to Mel Robbins. She’s kind of a female Toni Robbins. Harmless, but the kind of self help know-it-all that makes me cringe.
Yes, but some of the things she’s written is true. And often hearing it from another woman is the way to get it through someone’s head.
It’s an interesting question. It feels like the red dot listeners are the same demographic that was listening to Rush 30 years ago.
It isn’t something I can provide evidence of, but I think deeply conservative people have a fundamental desire to have their opinions confirmed and validated. I think it’s the reason there is such a strong correlation between conservatism and religion.
I don’t really have an issue with her beyond my general distaste for the whole self-help genre. My wife finds her helpful and I certainly have tremendous respect for my wife.
I don’t think that imagine is very accurate.
I looked up the top ten podcasts across multiple sources and got the following:
Jre
Crime junkie
The daily
Huberman
Stuff you should know
Theo Vaughn
Call her daddy
Dateline
SnartLess
Ben Shapiro
Not exactly a who’s who of right wing propaganda.
I’ve talked about this before (as have you, in a different way).
Right wingers tend to have a hierarchal world view and work to preserve the hierarchies. Left wingers tend to have a flat social structure world view and work to tear down the hierarchies.
That part is fact. What follows will be conjecture on my part.
I’m guessing that right wingers tend to look for leaders to follow, and easy access to that is in right wing media. They take pride in announcing, for example, that they listen to Ben Shapiro. And by listening to him, they feel like they are actively engaged in being on the right side of the social order.
I also wonder if there’s a charisma component to it, which is why right wingers are more inclined to follow talk radio and podcasts and left wingers are more inclined to read books. And when they do listen to talk radio, it’s NPR, which IMO very much lacks charisma. IOW, righties are looking for leaders and lefties are more interested in the information.
On an additional note, I’m curious if this is a struggle the democrats have with elections. How can you rally around leaders when you generally despise leaders?
I think you’re on the right track and said what I was trying say better than I did. The irony is the right always calling the left sheeple.
I think the right understands that there’s a different worldview to theirs, and they despise it. I think the left is just incredulous that there could be another worldview other than their own.
That’s coming from a progressive academia echo chamber type point of view.
Nothing will change as long as both sides only seek validation from their own tribe.
I’ve always felt that that was projection.
This episode popped up on my feed. I looked at the timeline
44 minutes in he talks about his views on health and social safety nets
Just a massive mistake for Dems to not go on his show
Williams is excellent at getting Rogan to express his views. He turns every question on him