While I can agree that it was not the strongest field, what Javier has achieved in 7 days is remarkable. Racing at top level in Bermuda after practically one year off ITU racing, and then becoming WC (for the 9th time) in front of a home crowd speaks lots about the guy.
5x ITU, Xterra, 2x 70.3 and now ITU LD
To me, (consistency is where it is at) he is GOAT already, but I really hope to see him back at Kona one day, a win there and discussion will be over… Olympics? He’s got a silver already, up there with the best.
Yeah, I like gomez but who did he get that silver to? There can only be one GOAT and right now that is very, very much up to debate and it seems be between Jan and Ali for now and if Ali takes Kona, then he’s it.
Yeah, I like gomez but who did he get that silver to? There can only be one GOAT and right now that is very, very much up to debate and it seems be between Jan and Ali for now and if Ali takes Kona, then he’s it.
It’s definitely up for debate. Jan is so far behind those guys in short course, that if either one of AB or JG win Kona it’s over. Barring that (and it’s entirely likely neither one ever does) it’s still a debate between the three. Some people are going to say AB has the wins that matter most, others will counter with Javi’s consistency and ability to dominate across all distances + xterra. For my money, if everyone’s career stopped now, I’m going with Javi as the GOAT.
AB has done nothing so far in 2 seasons in long distance. Two olimpic golds, yes, but who has dominated the most competitive field for years? How many ITU seasons has dominated AB?
AB has done nothing so far in 2 seasons in long distance. Two olympic golds, yes, but who has dominated the most competitive field for years? How many ITU seasons has dominated AB?
That is not the GOAT in my opinion.
How many times have Gomez and A Brownlee raced each other over a 70.3? What was the result?
I would say Frodo has to be the best of the modern era. 2x Kona, 2x70.3 worlds and the Olympics, they are the pinnacle of each event. He also has the fastest time over a long course race, whatever that is worth.
I can’t rate winning the ITU series as highly as many here do, when so many top athletes miss most of the season through choice. I mean Mola is a great athlete, and he is the 3x ITU world champion. He isn’t exactly in the discussion as one of the best of all time though, nor will he be if he wins this season and next too.
Its not about who’s hot right now and who isn’t its about results. Gomez is good, hes consistent, he’s versatile but he isn’t the GOAT. Not an olympic champion, not a kona champion.
Its not about who’s hot right now and who isn’t its about results. Gomez is good, hes consistent, he’s versatile but he isn’t the GOAT. Not an olympic champion, not a kona champion.
2nd Place would be Mark Allen.
I’m gob smacked anyone could rate Frodo above Mark Allan.
Quite frankly anyone rating Frodo as the GOAT might need to watch Gomez and the Brownlees finish over a minute on him regularly in ITU and watch how the last two Kona’s have gone.
If Frodo won another couple of Kona’s and a 70.3 Worlds I think he’d be in the convo with Mark Allan and Dave Scott.
Yeah, I like gomez but who did he get that silver to? There can only be one GOAT and right now that is very, very much up to debate and it seems be between Jan and Ali for now and if Ali takes Kona, then he’s it.
It’s definitely up for debate. Jan is so far behind those guys in short course, that if either one of AB or JG win Kona it’s over. Barring that (and it’s entirely likely neither one ever does) it’s still a debate between the three. Some people are going to say AB has the wins that matter most, others will counter with Javi’s consistency and ability to dominate across all distances + xterra. For my money, if everyone’s career stopped now, I’m going with Javi as the GOAT.
Agreed… Jan’s gold was a stroke of luck IMO on the right day. He was hardly a force in ITU but is definitely more dominant at half/full distances. I think many that put him as GOAT have only seen him race the Iron and half iron distances.
I’m with you as Gomez based on consistency and wins at various distances… AB is a close second and Jan is definitely a top guy at the half/full distance but not across the sport including ITU.
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And I can also not say if Frodeno, Ali or Gomez is the GOAT. All three of them are incredible athletes and well rounded in the swim, bike and run. Alistair can turn up really fit when it matters most and he also changed the dynamics of short course racing. Gomez is very consistent and can race at a high level all year for many years. Frodeno obviously has his strength in long course and brought it to another level but he could still win an Olympic gold.
Also agree. There was no Olympics when Mark was racing, but he won EVERYTHING, from Oly WC, Ironman, Nice how many times in a row?, Powerman…even against the best duathletes in the world, he crushed them all. GOAT for sure, but many don’t go back far enough in the sport to see such greatness.
While Mark was the greatest, he raced at a time with less competition. He did not have Frodeno,Brownlee’s and a Gomez to compete against. I am just saying it was easier to win every race.
Greatest of All Time? Mark was at his time, well, after Dave taught him IM pacing 😜. Remember Mark only beat Dave once in Kona compared to Dave’s 5 victories over Mark.
Gomez is great, but winning the ITU LD World’s against a weak field added nothing to his legacy.
I would give Frodeno my GOAT vote as of today, but I am sure there will be better.
Wow these guys use GOAT way too loosely. It’s really not a phrase designed to be used on an everyday basis and definitely not meant for those who are in the middle of their careers.
Both of these points are not valid. Frodeno has accomplished more than Gomez and Brownlee at every discipline. Brownlee is amazing, one of the best at ITU… but not triathlon. Also, Frodeno won the Olympics and Gomez has not. Its about winning the biggest races. Gomez is also amazing but hasn’t won kona or the olympics. Discrediting the fact that one man has won an olympic, kona, 70.3 gold is pretty insane…
Its not about who’s hot right now and who isn’t its about results. Gomez is good, hes consistent, he’s versatile but he isn’t the GOAT. Not an olympic champion, not a kona champion.
2nd Place would be Mark Allen.
I’m gob smacked anyone could rate Frodo above Mark Allan.
**Quite frankly anyone rating Frodo as the GOAT might need to watch Gomez and the Brownlees finish over a minute on him regularly in ITU and watch how the last two Kona’s have gone. **
If Frodo won another couple of Kona’s and a 70.3 Worlds I think he’d be in the convo with Mark Allan and Dave Scott.
Hard to compare this which is why i hate the discussion of triathlon GOATS from different areas, thats why I said Allen is 2nd because he was a complete machine at every discipline and unfortunately the olympics were not in his time as an athlete. Him and Frodo are two of the best.