Dude… Really? Come on..
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What? He destroyed peoples lives and yet has an insane amount of sycophants. I’ve been consistent with my position on him since before I joined this site. I don’t have reflexive morality.
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Im talking about comparing him to Epstein.. Thats just insanely stupid.
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Something I’ve always wondered. How many other pro’s at the time were under the same scrunity as LA? Ulrich was every off season basically MIA on some drugs and fast cars. He basically would “race himself into shape”, and so even as one of the biggest rivals, he was never under the same scrunity was he? So if your on the same drugs as LA, but your the 4th best rider in the world, don’t you basically get to skirt around all the interviews and suspicions? So I’ve always sorta wondered how others would handle it if they were in the same exact position as LA was. Would they be the same “asshole” that he was, or would they have said “oh yeah all those people saying I’m on drugs are 100% right”, etc. I guess it’s sorta an futile question, and not really to excuse LA’s behavior. More or less a question of “would I do the same thing if I was in his position”? Again I’m not excusing the behavior, I guess it’s more of a psychology question…
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I guess we can guess who you voted for then 
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I read Tyler H book a few weeks back. My immediate reaction from having read the Tyler book is that Lance had more people around him helping him evade the tests - and if he was not at the level he wanted to be, above everyone else - he got on a bigger dose.
Enough musing: would you?
And twenty years on, what advice would you give to your younger first year PED’ed but recovered from cancer self?
100%
Did you actually read the article?
Want to REALLY make something good out of this? Make TREK give all the money he made for them to a charitable organization!
I think that charitable non profit org is called the Trek Pro Triathlete Division.
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Answering that question is kinda silly is it not (it’s more a thought experiment on humanity imo) ? Like *duh I think 99.9999% of people would say they’d never start doping and certainly not treat people wrongly. But it just has me thinking, with all that pressure, with all that expectations/desired outcome if I was in the same situation, would I also try and fight others who were trying to wrong me? It’s easy as hell to say from 30k pov hell no I wouldn’t mistreat people. I don’t really know what advice I’d give, “treating people nicely” is sorta the #1 ethos that most people are taught in pre school, so yeah. I’m sure LA sat along and learned the golden rules like every other 4 year old in human history.
So no duh he was an asshole for mistreatment of people. I just look at the situation and highly doubt he’s the only person on earth that would have mishandled the situation and people out to get him.
If your the 6th place guy and on the same EPO juice that LA was, but never had to deal with the press or some teammate outing you, don’t you then just get to stay under the radar and don’t face the same situation?
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Yes. Treating people reasonably is what balanced people generally do.
Right so now we are going to go down a deep dive of psychology. Can a balanced person become unbalanced and thus make bad decisions including treating people poorly, or are balanced people immune from treating people poorly? (I don’t think you’ll answer that balanced people are immune from making poor decisions…cus insert glass house type of narrative)
It is a great interview. It takes a mature adult to be able to step back and listen to someone without immediately judging them. There are a lot of people that Lance harmed over his career. There are also a lot of people that he helped. His crimes are relatively minor compared to the truly evil people who have walked this earth. I think we can all learn something from what he has to say. I commend Frodo for taking on this difficult topic.
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I don’t see the big deal about his doping. Just about everyone in the peloton was doped to the gills at the time.
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Ok…so it’s cool to be a sociopath and ruin people’s lives because you are not as bad as Epstein, Hitler or Jack the Ripper? Not sure I agree with that.
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Never seen the Men’s podium of AG 50+ huh…
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We might not’ve heard of AG1 nor Athletic Brewing nor TheraGuns nor a bunch of other startups that he promoted on The Move, for better or worse
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Then, there are the Oxford Comma people /p
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