In your opinion, how many (if at all) ITU athletes dope? On the one hand, there are only a handful who make enough money to dope. Yet, clearly the sport draws a huge level of interest in places like Germany, Australia, France, and GB, all places where drugs are easily available.
So in what places aren’t drugs easily available?
i think his translation is as follows:
-“since the usa didn’t do very well at the itu world champs this weekend, at least compared to some other nations, ALL OTHER COUNTRIES MUST DOPE!!! USA, USA, USA!!!”
at least that was how i read his post. correct me if i am wrong, but i believe the doping controls in the itu are more strictly enforced than they are in the non-draft legal races.
Clearly the German who won was on drugs.
The German agency did the testing… nough said.
And since Slowman knows that WADA and NADAs sweep stuff under the rug…
In your opinion, how many (if at all) ITU athletes dope?
This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve read all day. Opinion? What?
Let’s try the same question with different shoes: In your opinion, how many fingers do I have?
An opinion would be: “Doping is wrong” or “Doping is ok”.
I’m sorry if I sound snarky, but I’m really getting tired of people who put doping all in terms of conjecture and baseless assumptions. “Well, he must be doping because he won!” and “He’s a doper because he beat a known doper.”
grumble grumble
didn’t tim don miss a few drug tests prior to win world champs in lausanne?
and…
silence.
It will be interesting to see what happens with Worlds this year. ITU did testing in both Elite and Age Group competitors so it will be interesting to see the results. Unfortunately it has been rumored that positive tests have been swept under the run by NGBs and probably by the ITU as well since the positive athletes were the top medalists is WCups and WChamps. Triathlon will eventually have the same problem as cycling if things are swept under the rug just to protect certain athletes. Once case has been swept under the run many times but because this athlete is basically a solo person from their country they want to keep them in the sport to keep interest up there even though the athlete is around 40. At Ironman you can still to well but there is no way you could keep up at the olympic distance ITU with the mid 20 year olds.
Branden
how old was hamish carter when he got 2nd at worlds in lausanne?
The higher the profile of the athlete, the bigger the chances of a positive doping test to be swept under the rug. If one of the world champions got tested positive, that would be tremendously damaging to the sport. Of course this means that once you get to the top, it can be easier to stay there.
It’s not Hamish.
I mentioned Hamish because he was by no means in his mid 20s whilst getting placed at worlds or even at the olympics.
Hamish is 35 this year I believe, and along with Paulo its not him. This guy is still racing, Hamish retired at the end of last year.
It is really unfortunate that when the medalists do test positive the more likely it is that the case will be swept under the rug to “save the sport” when in all actuality it will really damage the sport in the long run. I have not done any WTC/IMNA races but I have only heard that testing is done at Kona or just at very few other races, is this true? If so that is a definite knock that the WTC needs to step things up as well.
If it were feasible it would be nice to have a base test done for when you first turn pro that way WADA and NADA has some info about you and can tell if there are any spikes that may indicate that possible drug use.
heh I KNOW THE ‘DRUG CHEAT’ IS NOT HAMISH!
before lausanne last year tim don had actually missed a few drug tests. someone else can clarify it for me though…cos my memory is a lil hazy on what exactly happened. tim don went on to win.
Tim Don missed 2-3 out-of-competition doping controls before Worlds last year. The UK federation just let the information out after he won Worlds. He served a suspension, three months I think. At the time it was also said that he was automatically out of the British team for Beijing 2008.
These happen to all be synonyms for opinion: assessment, assumption, conjecture, estimation, speculation. Since we don’t know each ITU athletes entire situation, we must speculate, estimate, conjecture, to form our opinions. This does not mean we can’t draw upon facts, but ultimately, we can only have an opinion about an athlete or group of athletes until there is actual proof. In my original post, I did not accuse any particular country or group of athletes of doping, I merely posed a question that was pertinent considering the increasing popularity of ITU triathlon. Where did I say that the USA’s mediocre results are due to other countries doping? I must say I was surprised to open my post expecting a scholarly discussion on the introduction of doping into triathlon, and instead find a bunch of angry old men grouching about points that were never made in the first place.
I there a near 40 year old still racing ITU and competing (is a threat to a good placing) ??? Tell me who cause I can’t think of a single athlete that fits that description. Is Polikarpenko that old, I don’t think so. Who ?
Well in accordance with the rules Slowman has set out for the forum, I will not say a name because it is hearsay, until the ITU actually releases the names. I will say this athlete in the last two years has not been as high up
as they were. They were winning world cups and placing top 5 consistently and then they diminished rather quickly with no notes on having an injury.
As for the original poster’s question, a number of athletes that are doping in ITU, no one can guess a number and be right, and why not ask the number of dopers in triathlon not just ITU, have to protect the precious Ironman name. Yes Ironman came out with Nina Krafts name and they have done a good service to the sport by nailing a top name, but how widespread is there testing. ITU has done the same in nailing the womens Olympic Gold medalist from Sydney, and a few others and hopefully it will come out about other top athletes as well.
Hopefully the rest of the population of the US realizes as well that it is not just cycling that is a very dirty sport for PED’s with the suspension of Rodney Harrison of the New England Patriots for HGH use and that the popular american sports will step up testing and nail more athletes.
but according to Rodney Harrison he did not take steroids. He just took some HGH to help his recover from injuries…right…
The thing I can’t get over is the fact there is a huge debate regarding whether or not age group athletes should be tested when it sounds as if the testing for the pros–the pinnacle of the sport!–is not sufficient.
I have said this, and I will continue to say this:
-Resources (certified testers, certified testing organizations, funds allocated for testing) are finite.
-We should use those finite resources to ensure the sport is clean at the top first.
-If the sport ever actually gets clean at the top, then perhaps we use some of the leftover resources to test AG athletes.