Israel withdraws from Gaza - was anything gained?

Odd coincidence that Israel withdraws the day of Obama’s inaguration? Maybe there is CHANGE we can believe in?

1300 Palestinian lives lost. Half civilians.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2009-01/44631243.jpg

Any rockets fired into Israel today?

Anything gained?

Sure… they leveled a bunch of buildings and killed a few folks. Soon that area will be ready for colonization…

What happen was checking the aggression from the terrorist organization Hamas.


Hamas does not buy into the HOPE and CHANGE mantra.

You do know, don’t you, that people pretty much tune out the sound of a broken record,…right?

Your watching the middle game in chess – the period of time where the party in the dominant position is searching for a sequence of moves that lead to the inevitable result of checkmate. You can’t necessarily understand what was gained by an individual move, until you see several of them in sequence. We will understand what was gained by Israel when the next two moves are played out. If Hamas rearms and goes back to firing rockets into Israel, then not much will have been gained, other than the motivation that Israel can re-start its campaign and inflict further damage. If a lasting cease-fire comes out of this, what has been gained for Israel will be very clear. They are in a win-win. However, the magin of victory is yet to be determined. I don’t think it takes much genius to see the strategy here. That doesn’t mean you have to like or endorse it.

Well, the residents of the Gaza strip should be clearer about the consequences of choosing Hamas as their leaders and allowing Hamas to attack Israel. What those residents do with that clarification remains to be seen.

“Odd coincidence that Israel withdraws the day of Obama’s inaguration”

No coincidence at all. Under the previous president the US-Israel relationship was a case of the tail wagging the dog. Israel did whatever it wanted. 14-0 vote in the UN after Dubya tells Rice to abstain from a motion that she had drawn up. Who was calling the shots on American foreign policy - the Israeli president?

"1300 Palestinian lives lost. Half civilians. "

This is not a simple black and white issue. I don’t know why the above fact seems to get lost with you guys who blindly support Israel in this conflict.

“This is not a simple black and white issue. I don’t know why the above fact seems to get lost with you guys who blindly support Israel in this conflict.”

You’re right, it’s not black and white. However, just because people don’t agree with you doesn’t mean they “blindly” support Israel. Most supporters of Israel are not any happier about civilian casualties than you are. They simply place a higher amount of blame on Hamas for attacking Israel and subsequently placing civlians in harm’s way.

"1300 Palestinian lives lost. Half civilians. "

This is not a simple black and white issue. I don’t know why the above fact seems to get lost with you guys who blindly support Israel in this conflict.

If there were 1299 Gaza citizens killed then Hamas would claim victory.

You are correct on the main issue it is way beyond black and white. But what happened durning this past conflict was the Hamas military was humiliiated;it caused a pollitcal rift within the group;it has focused international attention on the problem of the arms smuggling beneath Gaza’s boarder with Egypt.

You do know, don’t you, that people pretty much tune out the sound of a broken record,…right?

Perhaps this explains how on earth the fact that half a thousand children were slaughtered in three weeks could possibly sound like a broken record to some:

http://i40.tinypic.com/m8ihl5.jpg

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"1300 Palestinian lives lost. Half civilians. "

This is not a simple black and white issue. I don’t know why the above fact seems to get lost with you guys who blindly support Israel in this conflict.
Greg,

This statistic is not fact unless you want to believe the Palestinian sources who have previously proven they wildly inflate death/injury figures in previous confrontations with Israel.

Here’s the situation for some of those who initially supported Hamas:

“I used to support Hamas because they fought for our country, for Palestine,” says Sadala. Hamas stood for a new start, for an end of corruption, which had spread like cancer under the moderate Fatah. In the 2006 elections Hamas won the majority with their message of change, said Sadala, who earned a living in the building business. Gesticulating wildly, the 52-year-old surveyed the ruins of the bedroom: “That is the change that they brought about. We were blasted back 2,000 years.”

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,603203,00.html#ref=rss

You do know, don’t you, that people pretty much tune out the sound of a broken record,…right?

Perhaps this explains how on earth the fact that half a thousand children were slaughtered in three weeks could possibly sound like a broken record to some:

Explain where you get your lame attempt at truth from?

How about Chapter 6 of this book http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/The-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy.jpg as a starter?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Israel_Lobby_and_U.S._Foreign_Policy

How about Chapter 6 of this book as a starter?

http://en.wikipedia.org/…_U.S._Foreign_Policy
What does the Israel lobby have to do with the inflated death toll from Gaza; supplied by non credible sources?

oh nothing. Sorry, I thought you demanded an explanation for my choice of cartoon and its implications about American media’s lopsided stance on the issue.
As for the number of civilian casualties, my point in that post was not providing a precise number. I also concede that Hamas, to some extent, has exaggerated the number of civilian casualties. My sources are the publications that I read, the Economist for instance has had a fairly balanced (even to some degree pro-Israeli I suggest) stance on this conflict, therefore I have no reason to believe that they take Hamas at its word with no validation whatsoever. How about this then: http://www.economist.com/...fm?story_id=12991363

This again brings up the issue that bothered me the most, blockade of international media. We would have had more reliable estimate of the impact of this conflict, had they been let in.
Notwithstanding that with 100 more or less the conflict remains tragic enough, I sincerely hope that the figures released by Israeli officials are true rather than those of Hamas; only a moron wishes more dead to prove a point.