No infidels or crackers allowed…i love the religion of peace and tolerance! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510218,00.html
I think the intolerant ones are the members of Jihad Watch. This place is a private residence, by the way.
**I think the intolerant ones are the members of Jihad Watch. **Apologist.
** This place is a private residence, by the way.** “It’s a village,” he insisted, “with people of all backgrounds, cultures and races.”
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Doesn’t sound like a private residence to me.
**I think the intolerant ones are the members of Jihad Watch. **Apologist.
This place is a private residence, by the way. “It’s a village,” he insisted, “with people of all backgrounds, cultures and races.”
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Doesn’t sound like a private residence to me.
Islamberg was founded in 1980 by Sheikh Syed Mubarik Ali Shah Gilani, a Pakistani cleric who purchased a 70-acre plot and invited followers, mostly Muslim converts living in New York City, to settle there.
You think he gave the plot to the public?
I’m wondering when something crosses over from “Rental property” to a “Cult”. On the one hand you could have an enterprising fellow that bought 70 acre’s and is renting out property to “Like minded” individuals, similarly to a “Gated community” of retirement center. OTOH you could have a religious leader that purchased 70 acres, invites people to live there and they give him everything they have and earn while following his “Teachings”.
Since I’m naturally skeptical I lean toward the “Cult” definition as probability rather than “Land lord” 
~Matt
I’m wondering when something crosses over from “Rental property” to a “Cult”.
When you no longer agree with the teachings of those who live there, it has become a cult.
When you no longer agree with the teachings of those who live there, it has become a cult.
I’m not sure that is the case because I disagree with many of the teachings of many different religions and groups yet would not classify them as a “Cult”. I think it only crosses over into a “Cult” when the “Teachings” become controlling to a certain level, when the “Teachings” start to overshadow the individual and arrest control from the individual.
~Matt
I don’t understand your objection. It’s private land.
Let’s reverse the situation. If some Christian minister had bought 70 acres and invited Christian members of his church to live there I don’t imagine you’d have a problem with that. Certainly you don’t believe this man should be told by the government (or anyone else for that matter) what he can or cannot do with/on his own land?
"I don’t understand your objection. It’s private land. "
I mostly object to the name “Islamberg.” That’s stupid. Couldn’t they come up with anything better than that?
“Let’s reverse the situation. If some Christian minister had bought 70 acres and invited Christian members of his church to live there I don’t imagine you’d have a problem with that.”
It’s a little more than that, assuming the report is correct. If the Christian minister you were talking about was a founder of a Neo-Nazi White Supremacist group, and started his village, complete with a firing range, then I think the discussion would be following the same path this one is. Obviously, I can’t vouch for the Fox News report being an accurate portrayal.
Obviously, I can’t vouch for the Fox News report being an accurate portrayal.
You mean you have doubts about a report that includes terms/phrases like “but it is what can’t be seen from beyond the gate that has some watchers worried,” “reportedly has a firing range,” “though some believe,” “Spencer offered no evidence to back his misgivings,” “Critics, lacking an eye into the cloistered community, still wonder whether it’s something more.”?
What gave it away?
I don’t understand your objection. It’s private land.
Let’s reverse the situation. If some Christian minister had bought 70 acres and invited Christian members of his church to live there I don’t imagine you’d have a problem with that. Certainly you don’t believe this man should be told by the government (or anyone else for that matter) what he can or cannot do with/on his own land ?
Doesn’t this depend on conditions. There has been more than one occasion where the government “Objected” to exactly this. I don’t think the public or the government should allow someone to train militants, build bombs and execute attacks with no repercussions. Not saying that is the case here, I’m just sayin’.
~Matt
** No infidels or crackers allowed.**
It’s a village," he insisted, “with people of all backgrounds, cultures and races.”
Read much?
10 to 30 percent of their income is regularly delivered to Gilani in the form of cash donations.
Hmm, so they tithe, just like Christians do.
Doesn’t this depend on conditions. There has been more than one occasion where the government “Objected” to exactly this. I don’t think the public or the government should allow someone to train militants, build bombs and execute attacks with no repercussions. Not saying that is the case here, I’m just sayin’.
~Matt
Well I completely agree. However, nobody seems to have any evidence that any such thing is occurring on this compound. Go back and reread the article. It’s a joke really.
It’s almost funny how ridiculous it is, if it weren’t for the fact that it will whip up some good old fashioned hysteria.
So was Waco and Ruby Ridge.
And the supreme leader has terroist ties and was also the person D Pearl was supposed to meet in P-stan…And we all know how that ended!
"I don’t understand your objection. It’s private land. "
I mostly object to the name “Islamberg.” That’s stupid. Couldn’t they come up with anything better than that?
I heard of this some time ago. What, it’s a Muslim-Jewish community? Islam and “berg.” Get it 
T.
There are a lot of religious communities in this country. We just love to focus on the Mulsims, they are our newest Communists.
Maybe the leader came here to find some peace and get out of the culture he was allegidely once in. We don’t know the whole story but god forbid we should assume anything other than nefarious intentions.
Where is our religious tolerance?
How do you read this?
Federal authorities say Gilani was also one of the founders of Jamaat al-Fuqra, a terrorist organization believed responsible for dozens of bombings and murders across the U.S. and abroad.
I think that would be cause for concern. Granted it could be an out and out made up factoid, but it comes across as “Fact”.
I think it’s pretty safe to look at “Historical patterns” and draw a few conclusions as well. I can’t think of too many groups where random people move to a “Compound” or “Village”, give money to a single “Spiritual leader” and it’s turned out well.
The closest I can think of would be nuns and priests living on church property. However even in that case the property is owned by the church not a single individual.
That being said there have been MANY situations that have gone bad. In this country anyway most people “Go to church” they don’t live around or in it.
All purely speculation on my part, but if it walks like a duck…
~Matt
"Where is our religious tolerance? "
Yeah, where is it? We dont have christian prayer rooms in schools, children cant say a prayer before a sporting event, a child cant pray in a public school…But we bend over backwards to let mullies do it. There are no public christain schools…Where is that tolerance?
Well there is this little thing called separation of church and state. There no other religious schools publically funded so there is no prejudice against Christians. Religious tolererance means not cramming your religion down my throat. Prayer in school, at games, etc is not religios tolerance.
I’m having a hard time believing you are this ignorant.