I was reading an article where the founder of 8chan (not 4chan) said (after the Dayton shooing) that the website needs to be shut down because of all the negative impact that it has.
I’ve seen a lot of people on different forums asking what the difference is between now and 20+ years ago when boys took their hunting guns to school and there were never any shootings.
Maybe the difference is that it is much easier to find people with like mindsets who provide encouragement to actually go through with the deeds. Before the internet and some of the forums, people with the desire to kill innocents probably kept it to themselves and eventually let it go. Now, in 30 minutes they can have plenty of other people encouraging them to commit heinous acts.
Maybe that is the difference between now and 20 years ago.
I was reading an article where the founder of 8chan (not 4chan) said (after the Dayton shooing) that the website needs to be shut down because of all the negative impact that it has.
I’ve seen a lot of people on different forums asking what the difference is between now and 20+ years ago when boys took their hunting guns to school and there were never any shootings.
Maybe the difference is that it is much easier to find people with like mindsets who provide encouragement to actually go through with the deeds. Before the internet and some of the forums, people with the desire to kill innocents probably kept it to themselves and eventually let it go. Now, in 30 minutes they can have plenty of other people encouraging them to commit heinous acts.
Maybe that is the difference between now and 20 years ago.
In the old days a kook would stand up and shout his/her views in a park and maybe get three listeners. Now, with the internet, that same person can be heard around the world and get an audience of hundreds, maybe thousands.
In the old days a kook would stand up and shout his/her views in a park and maybe get three listeners. Now, with the internet, that same person can be heard around the world and get an audience of hundreds, maybe thousands.
These days a loon tweets and spews whacky ideas at rallies and millions hear it on the news
I was reading an article where the founder of 8chan (not 4chan) said (after the Dayton shooing) that the website needs to be shut down because of all the negative impact that it has.
I’ve seen a lot of people on different forums asking what the difference is between now and 20+ years ago when boys took their hunting guns to school and there were never any shootings.
Maybe the difference is that it is much easier to find people with like mindsets who provide encouragement to actually go through with the deeds. Before the internet and some of the forums, people with the desire to kill innocents probably kept it to themselves and eventually let it go. Now, in 30 minutes they can have plenty of other people encouraging them to commit heinous acts.
Maybe that is the difference between now and 20 years ago.
It took two posts to devolve into Trumps fault…this place…
To your point, social media. People are really at their worst on social media.
Breakdown of family, bad parenting, lack of parenting, lack of parents.
A PC culture that says all that matters is your feelings.
Reality is tough to deal with at times, without the above situations.
A PC culture that says all that matters is your feelings.
I don’t understand how PC culture comes into mass shootings.
a person crazy enough to do this will always value their feelings over others. It’s a toxic kind of narcissism and that’s been true forever. Something is bringing this out in various ways more often (peeing on potatoes, marking up gravestones, shooting up malls), the rock is lifted on deeply disturbed.
Do you think these people are going for the same kind of attention and validity as minorities/gays/disabled/what-have-you are?
I don’t know if it’s anymore than it’s become a cultural meme in the US to take your frustrations out on others/the world by going on a rampage.
It’s been going on since that guy in the Bell Tower in the 60s ?, then it evolved into “going postal†and it’s just kept picking up momentum.
By most measures people today are far, far less likely to commit violent crimes than when all this started, so i’d be hesitant to ascribe the typical causes to it. How strange would it be for video games, rap, movies, PC culture, break down of the family to only increase mass shootings when pretty much every other metric of violence has declined over the same period.
Ask your kids about some of the things they believe and where they get their information from. Mine trust anyone on Youtube about anything: news, medical stuff, conspiracy theories, science, eating disorders… everything.
so, either my kids are especially gullible and shit-thick or kids today are very susceptible to getting ideas and having them amplified by the web. If you’re a bit angry and you stumble across 8Chan then somebody might want to hide the key to your dad’s gun cabinet… Or start thinking and praying, that seems to work.
Now, in 30 minutes they can have plenty of other people encouraging them to commit heinous acts.
I wonder if the heinous acts are actually encouraged directly, or if the hateful/alarmist groundwork is laid, and the heinous acts flow naturally from there.
Now, in 30 minutes they can have plenty of other people encouraging them to commit heinous acts.
I wonder if the heinous acts are actually encouraged directly, or if the hateful/alarmist groundwork is laid, and the heinous acts flow naturally from there.
I don’t know what percentage of these are ideologically driven? But it seems like many aren’t or at least a fair number are people with interpersonal issues.
I was reading an article where the founder of 8chan (not 4chan) said (after the Dayton shooing) that the website needs to be shut down because of all the negative impact that it has.
I’ve seen a lot of people on different forums asking what the difference is between now and 20+ years ago when boys took their hunting guns to school and there were never any shootings.
Maybe the difference is that it is much easier to find people with like mindsets who provide encouragement to actually go through with the deeds. Before the internet and some of the forums, people with the desire to kill innocents probably kept it to themselves and eventually let it go. Now, in 30 minutes they can have plenty of other people encouraging them to commit heinous acts.
Maybe that is the difference between now and 20 years ago.
First of all I don’t think kids were bringing hunting guns to school 20 years ago. I think that ended maybe in the 1960s. And they were almost certainly single shot 22s or shotguns and the like. The mass availability of high capacity rapid fire guns is a problem in America.
The internet itself isn’t a problem rather an enabler (gas on the fire) of the end result of a political philosophy which while having given us many good things is reaching a natural point of failure. This is liberalism embraced by both the left and the right. People are lonely because they have been taught it is important to be free and independent. They have liberated themselves of subsidiary institutions that require living in community. Family, church, social clubs, some involvement in local government.
Facebook is a tool that elicits loneliness from a deeper set of philisophical, political and even technological committments. We are lonely because we want to be. Loneliness is one of the first things people use their money to buy. Consider another technology which reinforces loneliness. How we inhabit our built environment. The suburb and the automobile promote our ability to be independent and free. Gone are front porches and sidewalks where people used to interact.
This loneliness is eliciting a deep discontent which is manifesting itself in all sorts of bad things. It is an explanation of the rise of populism (the election of Trump) particularly in those who are left behind in the new order.
An apparent lack of a future or a value for C students? We have created a sink or swim society whittling away at the middle class and jobs that will support a family and a decent life in exchange for showing up and working 40 hours a week.
Both the garlic festival guy and the Texas guy referenced the impact of income inequality in their statements. Growing up knowing if you are not in the top 5% you will never be able to live in your hometown (as theGarlic Guy made comments to) has got to be hard.
History supports that revolution happens at lower levels of income inequality than we have right now. Perhaps we are seeing this day and age’s manifestation of it.
And you are correct about kids bringing guns to school for hunting 20 years ago. It was longer in most areas, though I wouldn’t be surprised if it still happened (20 years ago) in some states like Michigan or Wisconsin where there is a shorter hunting season.
I graduated in 1979 and I remember a few guys having guns behind the seats of their trucks so they could go hunting after school. Dang, I’m getting old.
And you are correct about kids bringing guns to school for hunting 20 years ago. It was longer in most areas, though I wouldn’t be surprised if it still happened (20 years ago) in some states like Michigan or Wisconsin where there is a shorter hunting season.
I graduated in 1979 and I remember a few guys having guns behind the seats of their trucks so they could go hunting after school. Dang, I’m getting old.
25 years ago my husband said it was common at his high school in rural southern Minnesota
Where I went to HS in CO (Buena Vista) they actually took a week off during the start of deer/elk season. Where i went to HS in Mississippi it was very common to see rifles/shotguns in gun racks back of truck windows. Guys had been hunting prior to school or were going to go right after getting out of school.
Not at all common where i went to HS in Calif tho. But that was ground zero in time and space for the Patty Hearst thing so already Calif was clamping down on gun stuff–perhaps out in more rural Calif counties tho back in mid 70s. Wouldn’t surprise me.
And you are correct about kids bringing guns to school for hunting 20 years ago. It was longer in most areas, though I wouldn’t be surprised if it still happened (20 years ago) in some states like Michigan or Wisconsin where there is a shorter hunting season.
I graduated in 1979 and I remember a few guys having guns behind the seats of their trucks so they could go hunting after school. Dang, I’m getting old.
25 years ago my husband said it was common at his high school in rural southern Minnesota
It was still going on at my HS in the mid, late 80s.