Is it OK to quit?

I’m a slow runner. Before my last marathon 5 weeks ago I hoped I would be able to do it in 4h20min. I visited hell from 30 to 40 km and finished at 4h32.

I had not planned to run more marathons this year, but next week some friends of mine plan to run one at 4h12min as exercise (they are sub 3h guys) I have decided to join them because they are able to do a very disciplined run.

But. I have said that if I have problems like I had last time I just quit and declare end of season.

Is that ok? Or does that make me a chicken? No guts no glory?

“A man’s got to know his limitations” - Clint Eastwood as Herry “Dirty Harry” Callahan in Magnum Force, 1973

What’s your motivation? Are you running for you or for them. If you can run, then run, but don’t hurt yourself trying to prove something to someone or yourself. That’s just silly. There’s no shame in quitting. Just remember the phrase “Live to fight another day.”

This is a great question, really good. Basically, IMHO, is it OK to quit? Absolutely. I will argue it takes more courage to walk off the course when it is appropriate than to suffer through a terrible race when you may do real physical damage. I don;t want to offend anybody here, and please keep my comments in context, but I frequently wonder about the motives of some people who go to long events such as Ironman poorly prepared and just drag through it to say they finished. While I respect that they may see some value in that, I do not see as much value as if they had made a plan a year earlier, stuck to it, put together their best race and followed through. I have a lot of respect for that.
When should you quit? Tough to say, it is an individual question. I have entered a couple events when I did tell myself before the start of the event “There are only two ways out of this race for me: Across the finish line or in a bag.” They were make or break races that were important to my life. They stood for more to me than just the event themselves.

In general if I am in a race and I perceive that I am doing serious, potentially permanent physical harm that I am not willing to live with I will quit. Live to fight another day. They have the ssame events every year. You just come back the next year to kick its ass. It is important to keep things in perspective. Think of Everest climbers who spend years training and $100K to get to the summit (regardless of your opinion of the sport) and have the courage and judgement to turn around 300 meters below the summit. Few people have that degree of temperance and humility.

Remember that when you ijure yourself or put yourself in personal danger it not only affects you but the people who love you. That can become an issue too, especially if you get injured and they are stuck taking care of you.

And finally, one last thought: The “danger” in quitting is you can make it into a habit. Once you quit one race or one tough training ride it becomes easier to do. It is like divorce, once you do it once it it much easier to do it the second time. It becomes a tooll you use to cope with specific circumstances. The lines between what is acceptable and not acceptable begin to blur or shift. That can be bad. Remember that much of the value of endurance sports in pushing through our own perceptions of our limitations and discovering we are capable of much more than we thought. That can require a stretch on occasion, and it can be an uncomfortable stretch. It comes with the territory. If it was easy, everyone would do it.

I always remember this quote, my “words to live by”. It says it all:

“The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes up short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause. Who at best, knows the triumph of high acheivement, and who, at worst if he fails- at least fails while daring greatly, so this his place shall never be with those cold and timid soles who know neither victory nor defeat.”

Well said, Tom. I have to agree with the Ironman part especially. My brother in lawwanted to do one (just to say he did one) before he had his second child. His longest training ride was 60 miles and god only knows how short is long run was. He finished in 15+hrs (maye 16 I can’t remember) by walking most of the marathon. Well given enough time, my mom can walk a marathon. Where’s the courage in that? I had an extra Ironman duffel bag recently and my wife suggested I give it to her brother. I said no, he doesn’t deserve it. Just because you cross that line doesn’t, to me, make you an Ironman. Not if you haven’t put in the blood, sweat, tears, time, effort, dedication, committment, sacrifice, etc.

Is it ok to quit. Yes. As long you put in the training.

i’ll admit up front that this is a bit off-topic, but i would be very leery of these guys really running 4:12 if they’re really sub-3hr guys. i’m a sub 3-hr guy and compared to other runners of my ability, easily the slowest trainer i know. i take my easy days extremely easy and definitely do my long runs at an “easy” pace. but i would never run slower than 1:30/mile slower than my marathon race pace, even if i was running the full distance. if these guys are really sub-3hr guys, then they race at better than 7:00 pace, so i can’t possibly see them training slower than 8:30 pace, or a 3:42-43 marathon. i can’t imagine they’d run 4:12. again, a bit off-point, but i’d be more worried that they will run well faster than their stated pace and force you to run much faster than you’d like.

I think you’re right on the money. I’m not super fast, but after I finally got into the 7:45-8:00 range, running slower than 8:45 seems like walking, and I can’t see sub 7:00 runners doing 9:00+ pace. Maybe they plan to stop for hamburgers halfway through. :wink:

mmmmm hamburgers.
There is nothing wrong pulling the plug. I pulled the plug at 24k into my first and last marathon. The IT band syndrome I ended up with took over a year before I was able to run more than 12min more than twice a week. Thats after taking 5months off of running completely. God only knows the damage I’d done if I had finished just to say I did a marathon.
I’ve never finished a “marathon” but I did do some 28 and 29 mile long training runs. I don’t have the finishers t shirt nor do I have regrets.

They might be better friends than I know ? I trust them completly, one of them was my “guide” through my first marathon (5h00min30sec). They are basically very good friends and in addition one is in build up after injury and the other between a competitive marathon and preparing for a 100km.

Herschel,

I think i agree with you.

I qualified for an ironman canada spot this year with <6 weeks to go. i took the spot, trained my ass off for those 6 weeks, and finished the race (my goal…i guess?)

Upon finishing, i didnt have the same reward that i thought i would have from completing the race.

I was actually quite dissapointed. I had some ITB problems on the bike, and because of my lack of run training, split a 5:40 marathon… finishing in 14:16:01. I was the youngest male @ the race, but i was very frustrated with my performance.

I wanted to get “the tattoo” upon finishing, but now i dont feel justified in getting it unless i actually put in the effort needed to be “successful”. I want to go under 12, and hopefully get a hawaii spot in the next 5 year (before i turn 25).

Its not so much the result that matters, rather knowing that i spent the same amount of time as everyone out there training and working my ass off to become an ironman…something i dont think i can call myself until i put that effort in.

just my $0.02

-kevin

Kevin, i’m going to take this time to say it one last time… told you so… now that we’re done with that, I totally agree with pulling out of a race if you know something is going wrong. I raced a cross-country season injured, and instead of pulling out and calling it a season i persevered… (with lots of advil), posted my worst provincial result ever, and couldn’t run again for 6 months, and even now (2 years later) can’t run hard for more than three or four days in a row. However, there is a difference between pulling out because you are hurting yourself, and pulling out because its just hurting. If you do that, you are simply setting a bad precedent for the future.

David

Yeah, it’s OK to quit, if you have a serious injury, something that would require a doctor’s attention. Other than that, NO, it’s not OK! To go into a race saying that you’ll quit only starts a bad cycle of quiting if things don’t go your way. You just ran a 4:32, now you are saying that you will attempt a 4:12. Get real! Of course you’ll quit. Enter another marathon when you’ve trained right and then attept to run a better race. Jurgen Zack’s marathon walk at Kona on a bad day was one af the greatest show of courage and respect that has ever happened in this sport. Go to your races ready to race. I don’t mean that you have to win, but you should leave feeling that you gave it your best shot!

Hey Kevin_Queens,

You qualified for your IM spot so you must obviously have put in some quality training. Plus you did the best you could to prepare for the Ironman once you qualified. That makes you an Ironman to me. Should you have accepted the invitation? That’s another matter. The fact that you did and then busted ass to have a great race is what matters. You deserve the tatoo - get it in red with a black outline and put it on your right ankle and it wil be just like mine!

Herschel,

Thanks. I still feel that walking a good part of that marathon cheapened the experience. But, im going to try and be back there next year, and be able to kick some ass (kona is the goal, we’ll see). Thinking 24 instead of 4 weeks might make a difference.

Gotta love the odds for this <24 age group.

-kevin

Agreed! There is a difference between quiting to avoid risk of serious physical injury (wouldn’t you know that in advance?), and giving up because you are having a bad day. It’s perservering on a bad day that leads to the internal discovery that makes you a better person. You know yourself better and have more self respect. If you simply cheese out on a tough day, then you don’t get going when the going gets tough; and the same in life too.

Firstly you need to figure why you’re doing the run in the first place.

Is it for money (not likely)? Is it for fun? Is it for fitness?

Doing it for the right reason will help you decide if you should quit or not.

I’ve been tempted to quit many races that I’ve done, but I’ve never figured out how. Might sound stupid, but the finishline has always been on the way to my car so I’ve kept going.

I nearly dropped out of my first IM (Esprit Tri in Montreal). If you don’t know, it’s a criterium style! 42 laps on the race car circuit for the bike and a 9 lap run. I was set to quitting on about lap 4 after my first and only onset of ITB syndrome at 15km of the run. The pain was indescribable and I was gonna throw in the towel. I walked/limped past my wife and kids and said to TriSpouse that I was going to quit after the next lap if the ITB didn’t get better. She got someone to look after the kids and walked with me for a lap.

Did she tell me to persevere? That I had the ability to finish? That I was a good person? and other encouragement?

NO!

She said " You’ve spent $xxxx getting here, dedicated our annual vacation to this damned race. The kids and I have suffered in the sun and wind all !*#@ing day and you’re not gonna quit!"

I was a basket case already because I’d trained all year and was about to fail. She put me over the edge. I cried inside and limped off into the darkness to finish the race. I was a cripple by the finish line. My ITB throbbed and ached for months, I lost 6 toenails and had untold blisters from my strange gait. I was allowed 1 day semi-rest and then required to drive (rush hour traffic with manual transmission car, to start wtih) for the remaining 5 days of our driving/camping holiday. The race was a complete disaster! I can’t beleive I ever did another race of any kind!

I would have quit that race because it was the only one where the car was before the finish line, but my wife was what she called “supportive”. She has never forgiven me for doing tris, particularly IM (3 now, 4th on the way). I struggle on for the peace and quiet of long sunday rides allows me. IM is easy, marriage is hard.

Quit a race if you want. Finish if you have to.

TriDork :frowning:

If your shape is good and you have no injuries, then go for it. But, I’d see if your friends will run FOR you, at your pace, not you running their pace. You’re talking about cutting 20 minutes off your last time, unless something drastic has happened with your training you might get into trouble at your predicted pace…

Good luck.

Mark

You just ran a 4:32, now you are saying that you will attempt a 4:12. Get real! Of course you’ll quit.

Thanks, you have given me one more reason to finish, I just have to prove you are wrong now, I think :wink:

I don’t know what I was thinking when I wrote the original post. The last part of a marathon will hurt. Allways. I know that and it is part of the game. I don’t quit unless I have health problems. End of discussion ;-).

To those who think that it is impossible to go from 4:32 to 4:12 - you may be right. But I will give it a try, because I think a too fast pace in the first 20 kilometers of my two latest marathons (out of three) totally ruined my “run”.

And if I am wrong, so what? I was out running with friends, what did I loose?

KP,

I totally agree with this. I’ve run sub-3 and I can’t imagine running a training marathon at anything slower than 9:00 pace, which would still be sub-4. Throw another :30 seconds per mile on that and I’d be at a very ez aerobic pace. I think pounding my legs on pavement for that long would do more damage than the benefits I’d gain from a long ez run.

Tribent, I think you really need to have a conversation with your friends and make sure that’s the pace they’re going to run. Make sure that they know you NEED their help to run 4:12 and you’d really like them to pace you. If they’re doing 4:12 for themselves and have no idea that you are pacing off of them - they may throw their original plans out the window and start picking up the pace.

As for going from 4:32 to 4:12, I think it’s very likely, especially if things went wrong during your 4:32. Now if you ran the race of your life during the 4:32 - then 4:12 would be too much time to take off.

Zeke

For you it is ok to quit, for me it’s not. I would just walk to the finish before I gave up.

-Jim-

there is a difference between pulling out because you are hurting yourself, and pulling out because its just hurting

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