Ironman recovery (1)

Ok, it has been 1.5 weeks since Lake Placid and my body feels great. No aches, pains, soreness or anything. I don’t want to rush my recovery but I am getting bored :wink:

I know to start back slow, but just to check, even if I am not feeling pain or whatever, could my body still be healing itself after that day and I can’t/don’t recognize it?
Just for the record, I didn’t feel I really pushed myself for the IM and my time will attest to that. So I was never actually hurting at all after the race.
Thoughts?

You’re not healed yet. It’s not uncommon to start feeling fresh again a couple of weeks out from your race, but your legs should still be given the respect they deserve. In order, I would start with some swims now if you actually feel like getting back in the pool. Maybe hold off a few more days and then some easy spinning on your bike. I’d wait a month before I put the runinng shoes back on.

It is quite likely that there’s a lot of hidden healing going on. My advice is to do some very short trial sessions and really listen to your body during and the on the next day before doing anything longer/harder.

I’m like you feeling bored of doing nothing, but I just fixed a new goal to run a Marathon in 6 weeks…

My first workout since LP is going to be tonight a 5 miles run at 8:00 per mile… I’m suspecting to be hard on my legs the first 2 miles but them hope everything will fall in place after… also expect tomorrow to feel some soreness from tonight.

Well… after reading the replies so far… I’d say, “don’t do what I’ve been doing”… Did an ez spin last Saturday on the bike - 1.5 hours and ran an hour Sunday, swam an hour Monday and Tuesday a.m. also. Had an awesome ride last night - legs felt great - probably as good, if not better than race day - but then, the ride last night was only 1.5 hours, compared to 6 hours…!

Lemme know how it goes. I think I will give it until at least next week to run, but I think that swimming might be a good idea. :slight_smile: And thanks to the other posters. I needed to hear to take it easy. I know I shouldn’t likely work out but sometimes I need to hear it from someone else.

Last week was very lazy, but I am back at it this week and am getting good feedback from my body. I’m racing a sprint this coming weekend and a half on August 14.

Same conservative approach applicable to half-IMs?

Standard rule of thumb for Ironman “return to training/recovery”

  1. Don’t train in the first 7 days after an Ironman

  2. Complete 3 swims before you allow yourself to ride (week 2 following race)

  3. Complete 3 rides before you allow yourself to run (week 2 and 3)

  4. Complete 3 runs of less than 45 minutes before returning to “regular” training cycles (week 3 and beyond)

  5. When in doubt, rest

Cheers,

Jonathan C. Puskas

www.wenzelcoaching.com

I agree, what about a half.

I did the VM on Sunday. Currently plan to do the TBF OLY on this coming Sunday.

Dave

Well, I would not go with my approach, but I biked to work all of last week and swam a few times. then on Sat (6 days out from LP), I rode 4 hours with my buddy Barry Dmitruk (he is getting ready for Wisconsion) after doing 10:27 in LP. Ran on Sunday easy and have been riding to work etc and swimming again. This morning did the hard Wed morning 90K ride. Went 4:20 min up the Fortune timed climb, which is 12 seconds off my PB, but yes, I could feel the hills of LP still in my legs when I tried to really go hard. I had to hold back. Until today, I kept my HR sub 140 for all workouts, most were around 110-130.

I eat ground flaxseed with my oatmeal every morning. It is natural anti inflammatory and I credit it for my ability to recover fairly quickly (that and 21 years of base). Finally, I did hold back at LP for most of the race as I was scared of ending up in the medical tent (12:30 blowup in 2003). Turns out that by holding back and taking it “easy” I actually had a better average speed and slowed down less and had a PB of 10:33.

In short, I think it is all personal. I think I can live OK on the Joe Boness Lite program, but that is just me. I think Puskas’ rules of thumb are good. I am sure I would be much better in the long run, if I took that route, but I just can’t. I’m like a deer, I need to be outdoors moving.

Edit: As a point of reference, I did my Olympic Tri PB in 1994, 2 weeks after IMC. IMC was 10:41, Olympic Tri was 1:59. In between I did several 1-3 hour rides and some 30-60 min swims. No running.

I think if you are well trained, the long drawn out tapers and long drawn out recovery periods can be substantially reduced and in many cases, the long drawn out tapers are detrimental as your body goes into shutdown mode.

Mitch Gold at Counterpoint Coaching wrote about this. I experimented with this in the past year:

http://www.counterpartcoaching.com/taper.htm.

and had excellent results. As Mitch says, it is all about consistency. Volume is regarded as a bad thing. People throw around the words junk miles etc etc.

The key as Mitch Gold says, is consistency. Your body gets just as messed up with YoYo volumes going from 5 hours per week up to 22 as it does going from 20 hours per week down to 10, 5, Ironman and nothing. I think it is OK to train if your body and mind is wanting to.

Within the small sample size of the people I know who have done an IM and jumped right back into regular training (because they’re feeling good and are bored) is that sooner or later (it might be two, three, four maybe 8 weeks) but the 800 Ibs gorillia is going to jump on your back. When he does he is a hard bastard to shake. :slight_smile:

Within the small sample size of the people I know who have done an IM and jumped right back into regular training (because they’re feeling good and are bored) is that sooner or later (it might be two, three, four maybe 8 weeks) but the 800 Ibs gorillia is going to jump on your back. When he does he is a hard bastard to shake. :slight_smile:


I agree. Last year after IMC I jumped right back into it (including doing a 30K run the following weekend). I crashed hard in October as a result.

I plan to crash in mid September. That gives me around 7 weeks :slight_smile:

It should be noted that my “rules of thumb” apply to those with few than 10 years of racing experience. After that…Well, you can do what you want and you probably know how your body will respond.

Dev,

You are simply a super-freak worthy of great admiration. Email me offline, I’d love to discuss some training philosophy items.

Cheers,

Puskas

I agree, what about a half.

I did the VM on Sunday. Currently plan to do the TBF OLY on this coming Sunday.
Dave

Monday was off
Tuesday was swim/travel
today–I’m in LA and had to get up and be to work early; probably a run tonight if I get back to the hotel in time
Thursday–try to run prior to work; PM–out to dinner
Friday–fly back to SF; swim? PM–party time
Saturday–4-5 hour ride plus run
Sunday–I forget what is on the schedule

The following weekend, I’m doing another Half IM (same Vineman course). Hopefully it will be a better experience!

clm

All these guys who are telling you to rest are right on the $. False recovery is something that most IM racers experience after the race. Also, don’t forget if you ran the marathon or most of it, chances are pretty good that your muscle tissues are still damaged down to the cellular level - I think it takes a number of weeks after a marathon or IM for this to repair. I tend to think its best to just recover. I did nothing after IM LP and rode two hours yesterday, came home and took an hour nap, so I know I now anywhere near recovered. My legs felt good, but on the climbs there was some DEEP fatigue, I could still feel it…

My $0.02

Mike

Cathy, you are a studlet (?).

2 half in 2 weeks.

Here is my schedule I am going to try

july 10th was TBF OLY

July 17 was Donner OLY

July 24th was camp far west OLY

July 31th was VM OLY

August 7th is TBF OLY

August 14th is FIT OLY

August 21st is camp far west OLY

September 3rd LOP Sprint

September 10 TBF Granite Bay long sprint

September 17 california man full iron man

Will see it these all work out. Going to try a swim tonight.

Dave

Cathy, you are a studlet (?).

2 half in 2 weeks.

Dave

I did the same last year and PRed both races.

clm

Cathy, go get them.

Sure not sure it is cooling down anytime soon though. Looks like it will be hot on sunday again.

Dave