Ironman Pros - where do we go from here?

Fleck mentioned in the tube sock thread that a marketing expert said (roughly) “Pros look ridiculous, all over the place”.

What’s your call?

  1. Feck it Fleck, let them look what they want.

  2. Dude is right, we need uniforms and tight rules around clothing. Tube socks are for 80s NBA, Soccer and specialty porn.

  3. It’s not only the clothes, it’s also the bikes. UCI standard please!

  4. UCI? Lame. Hand out identical bikes for pros. 52 tooth front ring, 12-23 cassette. Diamond frame. 36/36 spokes. No aerobar. Think Eddy 1972.

Purists like Dev and I would jump up and down for days if no. 4 would come true.
As this is not gonna happen, should rules be changed nonetheless, should IM get a ‘more pofessional’ look?
Or should triathletes stay the hippies of sports, aka anything goes?

Back zippers ought to be mandatory IMO. And no exposed midriffs. Adopt the ITU uniform guidelines. I think it’d also be good for pros to have their names on their outfits (though country is maybe not necessary).

Why no exposed midriffs? I thought you said you got rid of the “pouche” when you stopped eating wheat? :wink:

what pros? is there any in NA Ironman races? can you call a pro someone who may make 5 thousands (8, minus 30% of taxes now) in case he/she wins…?
sure, this guys that full time traning and have no other job will use anything in exchange for free food, but would be more affordable to race ancient Greek style - naked

There are people that are called ‘Pro’ at Ironman. These are the ones who start ahead. And I am refering to those.

Btw, Skinfit aparently offers uniforms for German participants. They are white. You gotta show what you have, right?
http://www.skinfit.at/InhaltBilder/HHT_300x250_GERKollektion.jpg

Or should triathletes stay the hippies of sports, aka anything goes?

I agree with what that Marketing Exec told me about the rag-tag, hill-billy look that many triathletes have. I also remember applying for sponsorship myself a a number of years ago when the marketing manager from one of the shoe companies responded to me as follow’s:“Why would I want to sponsor a triathlete, you guys run around all day with no shirt on” - and he was right! At the time, guys would do whole races topless with a speedo or tri-shorts on! “Where would my logo go?”, the guy from the shoe company asked me!

It’s starting to get a bit better. Notice how when any really bigger corporation get’s involved( I am thinking along the line of Normann Stadler’s group/team, or TBB) the first thing they do is get the guys/gals into some form of set uniform.

Just about every other Professional sport has fairly rigid guidlines as to what their athletes can wear, how big logos can be, what colours can be worn, when you need to wear certain things etc . . . . At some point non-ITU triathlon will need to conform to something along these lines as well.

I disagree.

I feel that the governing bodies of triathlon have gone too far and need to get out of the way of the race directors.

I also think the “pro” division should be eliminated completely.

I tend to look at triathlon like XC running. It’s the individual races that make it great. an 8k XC race in Ireland is going to a a far different race than one in Boston, but thats what makes it great. I feel that in order to allow this sport to reach it’s full potential, we need to let the races lead the way.

Leagues have strict rules, not sports. In order to have more leagues, we need more athletes and RD’s heading out there and carving a path.

WTC is a league. ITU is a League. ITU has set up a format for a bunch of races around the world and have done a great job getting the world behind our sport. 2000 Olympic games were fantastic and the sport has done nothing but grow. BUT Chicago, St. Anthony’s, LA MIM Wildflower have their own rules separate from the ITU rules and have benefitted from the Olympic exposure and are doing quite well. The pros LOVE the races and formats, but they also love the ITU races. It makes for a better sport.

WTC on the other hand, has created a monopoly by shutting out the Ironman name and trying to take over the world. They are doing well, but the non-IM races are not. I feel that the name Ironman can no longer be associated with just one group because the term is generally assumed to mean “long triathlon”. Escalator would be my worldly example. In the long run, WTC would be better of, just like ITU is, by the existence of other ironman (small i) races and RD propmting the same sport. Hawaii will always be the ironman race that everyone wants to do, so WTC can rest easy knowing that people around the world will still be signing up for ther races for a chance to get to Kona. They put on a fantastic race too, so as long as they keep that up, people will sign up to do their races just to do a race. They would have to be know as the “WTC series” or simply WTC races, just like ITU.

Back to the main topic. LET THE SPORT GROW. It’ll grow a LOT faster and be far better if you allow the RD and creative people in this sport to drive its direction. We’re firmly set with our distances and formats and for the most part, those races are in NO DANGER of going anywhere but up. Allowing the people with the $ and creativity to drive the sport into mainstream is only going to help solidify the ITU and WTC names in the end. And1 would be the example. Do you think the NBA is worried about And1 taking over their spot as the greatest basketball league? Not at all. If anything, And1 is HELPING the NBA by raising the bar on ball handling and allow more people access to the game of basketball. And1 rules are different than NBA rules. NBA rules are different than Olympic Basketball rules. The one thing that remains the same is that it’s all considered basketball.

Allowing the races to dictate how the sport will grow and look is the best way in the end.

We should strive the keep the dress code between the sponsor and the athlete as much as possible. It shouldn’t be universal. Let the races decide what they want or don’t want in their races. To me, this allows the people with an interest in the sport to drive the market and grow and allows the athlete a better opportunity to earn a living and race where they want to.

the rag-tag, hill-billy look that many triathletes have

i don’t want to be stupidly pedantic, because i know precisely what you mean. even so … if any triathletes showed up in a true “hillbilly” area in typical triathlete gear, they’d at best be laughed out of town and at worst might not make it out of town at all :slight_smile:

You got a pretty mouth…oink, oink.

Back zippers ought to be mandatory IMO. And no exposed midriffs. Adopt the ITU uniform guidelines. I think it’d also be good for pros to have their names on their outfits (though country is maybe not necessary).

As a fan, those dudes runnning around with the back zippers half way down look pretty dam dorky to me.

Bikini bottems for women, maybe not so skimpy for men. Lose the compression gear. Triathlon was born at the beach, let’s embrace that.

Back zippers ought to be mandatory IMO. And no exposed midriffs. Adopt the ITU uniform guidelines. I think it’d also be good for pros to have their names on their outfits (though country is maybe not necessary).

As a fan, those dudes runnning around with the back zippers half way down look pretty dam dorky to me.

Bikini bottems for women, maybe not so skimpy for men. Lose the compression gear. Triathlon was born at the beach, let’s embrace that.

There are plenty of people that do tris that I don’t want to see in beach attire. Myself included.

Notice how when any really bigger corporation get’s involved( I am thinking along the line of Normann Stadler’s group/team, or TBB) the first thing they do is get the guys/gals into some form of set uniform.

Nowadays most of the coaches I know get their people into the “team gear”. It would be interesting to
look at, but I suspect you’ll see more “coaching/club” uniforms at most local tri’s than not.

-Jot

Back zippers ought to be mandatory IMO. And no exposed midriffs. Adopt the ITU uniform guidelines. I think it’d also be good for pros to have their names on their outfits (though country is maybe not necessary).

As a fan, those dudes runnning around with the back zippers half way down look pretty dam dorky to me.

Bikini bottoms for women, maybe not so skimpy for men. Lose the compression gear. Triathlon was born at the beach, let’s embrace that.

There are plenty of people that do tris that I don’t want to see in beach attire. Myself included.
Are you a pro? That is what this thread is about right?

  1. Who cares how pros look? Triathlon outside of a very select group, doesn’t have real pros anyway. We have people with pro cards that live in their parents’ basements or with their girlfriend who has a real job, just so they can keep doing all the training necessary. Unless you are a very good ITU pro or you happen to win Hawaii or Lifetime Fitness every year then the “pros” probably make a lot less than I did as a military officer. I know they work extremely hard, but let’s not take these guys too seriously. I’ve beaten or raced with pros often enough in duathlon that it’s hard to hold them up and say, “Wow, those guys are awesome.”

  2. I might make them more identifiable. When you get passed by a guy with a plain colored uniform with his name on his butt then it’s good to know who it is.

  3. No thanks on the UCI standard. If they actually had intelligent reasons for their rules then maybe, but they are backwards and tradition-bound it many cases and other times they just make rules on a whim. As a governing body, I would not hold the UCI up as a great example.

  4. Why do this? Bike makers pay their “pros” to advertise. Take that away and the pros, such as they are, will go away too.

Chad

  1. Who cares how pros look? Triathlon outside of a very select group, doesn’t have real pros anyway.

Chad
I totally agree with this. I know way too many guys/girls who have had a “Pro” license for racing mountain bikes. Yes they were fast local racers, but when it came to nationals time and they were 40 minutes back it just showed how “normal” they really were. What is the precentage of triathletes with a Pro license actually making a sustainable living from the sport? 1%? I just feel bad for them because when it comes to retirement time I will be sitting pretty and they have to keep working to survive.

I tend to look at triathlon like XC running.

Last time I checked xc-running just like all running, was under the auspices of the IAAF and in turn the Athletics Sport Federation of a given country - say USTF in the USA or Athletics Canada in Canada, and so on. It’s no different than triathlon - ITU is the world governing body and then you are under your sports national Federation in given country.

Where triathlon is different, is that the biggest and perhaps most popular distance in the sport, is a trade-marked brand that is owned by a private race-managment and markting company(WTC). Imagine if you will, if the word "marathon was the same. That someone owned the trade-mark and copy-right to the word Marathon.** **Think how different distance running might be.

I just feel bad for them because when it comes to retirement time I will be sitting pretty and they have to keep working to survive.

don’t. work made a human from an ape and many going back with too much money
also, after all, nobody will survive in present body, we’ll have to discorporate, so could be wise to keep your consciousness sharp… well, I don’t mean that you one can’t use the money in a good way
: )

I think uniforms are a great idea - and show more skin! Take a look at the sport of volleyball in the past 10 years. Not only did they change the entire way the sport is scored to make it better for TV, but the international governing body implemented a dress code – guys shorts needed to be X inches above their knees (at least for indoor VB), and women’s Beach VB are required to wear bikini bottoms! There was a minor huff about how shallow it was to require player to show more skin UNTIL they saw their ratings explode. In Sydney and then in Beijing, beach volleyball was one of - if not the - most watched sport in the Olympics in the USA.

In normal competition the FIVB allows sponsor logos and temp tattoos, but the uniform standards are the same as at the olympics.

Summary: showing more skin = more TV coverage & viewership = more sponsorship $$ = more $$ for pro triathletes.